a decent lawyer could probably draw up something that would stand up in
court....but not me....sorry
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Michael Dinowitz spake thusly:
> Interesting. I'm going to add that to my anti-spam engine. Got any sample
> legal text to work this or should I just run with it as is.
>
>
> > However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
> > assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
> contract,
> > it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> > This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
> > knowledge, not been tested.
> > might be fun though
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > > Actually you're both wrong.
> > >
> > > The bill reads
> > >
> > > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may
> publish a
> > > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam.
> They
> > > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per
> day
> > > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees
> are
> > > also recoverable."
> > >
> > > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> > >
> > > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial
> E-mail
> > > sent to a large number of addresses". That means any message that you
> send
> > > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > > several differen't people at once. And, yes, doing loop so that only
> one
> > > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> > >
> > > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> > >
> > > --K
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > > is that law
> > > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > > companies that have
> > > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > > are internet
> > > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > > outbound emails
> > > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > > to the partner
> > > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > > business we have
> > > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > > to focus on
> > > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > > rise in worth.
> > > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > > recipient
> > > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > > >
> > > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > > >
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > > include
> > > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > > will charge
> > > > you
> > > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > > it's worst....
> > > > > Most Recently.
> > > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > > marketing
> > > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > > doublequoted
> > > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > > own thing to
> > > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > > The lets say a
> > > > > flash developer need function.... There you go....
> > > > >
> > > > > Later,
> > > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > > -brian
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > > > at FA but it
> > > > > isn't
> > > > > > up yet.
> > > > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > > > the best as many
> > > > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > > > didn't want to be
> > > > part
> > > > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > > > people to come
> > > > > visit
> > > > > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then
> > > > emailing them
> > > > > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did
> > > > something very
> > > > > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from
> > > > talk graoups,
> > > > > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major
> > > > issues emailing
> > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live
> > > > on a site that
> > > > > > rates
> > > > > > > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer
> > > > strengths like
> > > > > > > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure
> > > > currently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there any existing directories?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Brian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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