Actually, I've won plenty of contests, one of them put on by Ray (the Blackjack contest). I've also won design contests and logo contests sponsored by Sitepoint. But that was before I realized what people were really asking for.
People place such little value on design that they think it's acceptable to ask someone to design a site "so that you can put it in your portfolio", or "I'll pay you if I make money", or "enter to win this great design contest". The thing is that this world couldn't function without design. From stop signs, to maps, to the directory in the Mall, or even the icons Eclipse. Your comments about my participation on CF-Talk are absurd and I won't even reply to them. I have ZERO problem with Pro Bono work. Did you completely overlook my last post which said "do it pro bono" instead of entering a contest. I think that doing pro bono work for the Fusebox site is a wonderful idea and I heartily recommend that SOMEONE pick up their request and do the site design for free. If the Fusebox group then decides to reward your time with those tickets than that's awesome. But if you're doing the work as Pro Bono then you weren't expecting anything now were you? I'm simply saying that this contest devalues the overall work product because it expects that people would be willing to work towards a prize that they might not win. Disagree with me or not, this is something that EVERY professional design organization frowns upon. Make sure to read through the links that I posted. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fusebox Web Site Design Contest Announced You've never won a contest, have you? The mere fact you posted here would lead one to believe you frequent these lists to elicit or supply help to others. The fact that you do this devalues any help you may seek, or others offer, elsewhere, and I think you should stop it. I think this contest, and Ray's contestes, are a great idea.. As a winner of one of Ray's contests, I can tell you, the prizes, exposure and most importantly, knowledge, gained far outweighed the time spent on the contest. Hell, if I had any design skills, I;d be tempted to enter this one. Get over it dude, no one is so good they cannot do Pro Bono work from time to time, especially when its for a community supported project. On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand that...but THOSE contests are bad practices as well. > > If you WANT to work for free then by all means you should do so. If > you believe in supporting the Fusebox group and their excellent > codebase then you should ALSO do so. But putting out a contest, asking > people to work for > free is a bad idea, and not something that the community should support. > > Here's a list of articles discussing spec work and it's effects on the > design community. Bear in mind that this ALSO affects the programming > community. It basically devalues your work product. If you're willing > to work "for free" this time, then why should you be charging me $65 > per hour the next time. > > http://www.no-spec.com/archives/i-wish-i-had-written-this/ > > http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0104h.shtml > > http://www.no-spec.com/articles/design-contests/ > > > http://designforum.aiga.org/content.cfm?ContentAlias=_getfullarticle&a > id=115 > 5318 > > http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=105 > > -- Scott Stroz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269342 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
