>> There is also doco and a good google group as well, so you don't have to
speed dial me ;o)

Yep, I'm subscribed there as well :)

>> Obviously, I don't really mind if you don't want to use 
>> Transfer (or any other persistence framework) ;o), it may 
>> well not fit your needs, but I just think the logic is a 
>> bit skewed.  Sounds a little like Not Invented Here syndrome ;o)

There is more than a bit of that too!  We do like to write our own code
here.  It gives us an automatic in-house expert on the application (whoever
wrote it) and it's written using our coding standards, which makes it easier
to "mod" for future updates.  It definitely does eat up lots of developer
time though -- I definitely agree there, but it does have benefits.

Putting all sane business-decision logic aside, I would like to see if I can
build it.  Call it pride and the stupidity of youth, but I'm still learning
what I can do and what I can't.  When I started it, I knew it would be a fun
project that would throw challenges at me along the way -- and it has!  I
knew I'd learn a lot -- and I have!  I've picked up a few tricks that had
just picked up Transfer and ran with it, I'd still be clue-less on.

Of course one could argue that I'd learn new tricks by using Transfer too --
so that weakens my argument a little.

</rant> :)

>> Umn... you can setup composite object relationships across manytomany,
and have been able to since 
>> version 0.1... so I'm not sure what you mean there.

>> If you want to query it, you can also do it with TQL.. which can auto
join your m2m relationships 
>> for you as well... so not sure what you need there?

Querying it is what I meant -- sorry for the confusion!  What I'd love is a
"Get me a list/query/enum of all the Book records written by this Author"
method from within an Author object.  As you noted, I could do it with TQL,
or I could write my own decorator that has that method.  What I'm trying to
get set up though is a generic object that does all this *without* me having
to write my own TQL or custom code!  The relationship data is there -- why
the need to custom-code it?  

That's really the core of what I'm trying to build "If I know the schema, I
should be able to dynamically build a decent CRUD application out of it."

I doubt I'll get to the "press-a-button-and-be-completly-done" stage, but
I'm confident that I can get pretty close (maybe only having to tweak skins
and custom displays) to a completely built and skinned application.

Jonathon



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