>>I would say that if SoftLayer's boxes are being compromised to launch attacks, then yes they are bad actors.
They rent dedicated servers (10,000 of them according to them). That is the moral equivolent of holding a car rental company liable for accidents caused by people that rent the cars. The responsibility for the security for *unmanaged* servers the the person that operates the server, not the company from which it is rented. Just like you are responsible for securing your own desktop at home. Not if it were *managed* dedicated servers being compromised that would be another case entirely. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Nick Gleason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would say that if SoftLayer's boxes are being compromised to launch > attacks, then yes they are bad actors. Since we have seen many attacks > coming from different Ips that are registered to them, I feel confident in > making that assertion. > > I may also have some sympathy for them that they are the source of the > problem. Perhaps they are doing their best or have great intentions. > But, > the results also matter and what is undeniable is that SL is the source of > a > lot of attacks. That is important and their should be some culpability > for > that sort of thing. If Don met the same criteria, then I would say the > same > thing. > > Respectfully, > > N > > > ............................................................................. > ...... > > Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com > > Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 > > > Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise > combines great features with an affordable price. > > ............................................................................. > ...... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:36 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: OT - Box has been attacked by cowboy > > > > > I don't think that anything said here is libelous in the > > least. He is > > > only describing what happened. Hacks were done from an IP > > registered > > > to SoftLayer. People /should/ be talking about these sorts > > of things > > > so that ISPs hosting bad actors will tighten up security. > > We've seen > > > a number of incidents traced back to softlayer ourselves and they > > > should feel some heat when that happens. > > > > You have no idea whether this ISP is hosting bad actors. All > > you know is that attacks have been logged from their IP > > addresses. If Don's servers have been compromised, others may > > now log attacks from his servers. Is he a bad actor? > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners > > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > > > WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! > > http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
