I heard you, Ray, if anyone can afford cf8 for his/her work like distributing 
his/here ware or is lucky enough to have a fat gig with the gov or something 
like that, by all means, they don't have to go the open source cfml engine and 
ajax route and then have to pull their hair out at some point to dive into the 
on-and-off js world like me.  To be honest, I truly like cf8's ajax tags and 
functions, and I would say tags like the famed cfajaxproxy is awesome but in 
the mean time, don't mean to be rude, some of them is indeed bloated and you've 
offered rationale for that.  Imho, Adobe Coldfusion8 has its market and so 
would the other guys too.

Best to everyone.

>Just to chime in here in regards to the 'slow'/'bloatedness' of CF8's
>AJAX stuff...
>
>a) Don't forget that JS is still very hard for a lot of people. The
>built in Ajax-based UI tags are simple as heck to use. For a lot of
>people these tools are the _only_ way they are going to do even
>remotely Ajax-y.
>
>b) Don't forget that Ajax support in CF isn't just about UI. Native
>JSON support, returnFormat, are killer improvements. I bring this up
>because a lot of people will just poopoo "CF8 Ajax" in general without
>making the distinction.
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, D 

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