Thanks for your help Paul! A change to the css stylesheets to include 'Lucida Grande' in the fonts list seems to have solved the issue.
On a side-note, I have found out that there IS actually a "Microsoft Sans Serif" font and it does include Thai glyphs... I am not shure where this font comes from, probably from MS Office... And I think it only gets installed when you select "include support for east-asian languages (+thai)" in the regional & language options in control panel... Once again, thanks a lot. PS: after 9 years in Laos I think I am ready for a bit of real world now... it's scary, though... Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com/ On 25/06/2009 10:01, Paul Hastings wrote: > Azadi Saryev wrote: >> MS Sans Serif seems to display Thai text in the pages just fine on my >> Win XP... Well, actually the font specified in the site's stylesheet is >> "Microsoft Sans Serif"... I am not sure such font even exists - maybe my >> browser just substitutes its default unicode font for it? > > yes, there's *no* thai glyphs in that font though TIS-620 or windows-874 > codepages might get something substituted. the early days of localization > here > were fractured in the extreme, still seeing the repercussions. > >> The other 2 fonts specified in the stylesheet are "FreesiaUPC" and >> "IrisUPC". More googling on these has led me to believe that they are >> NOT unicode fonts (http://www.ascenderfonts.com/font/freesiaupc.aspx and > > actually they are (true type unicode fonts), at least the ones we have > installed > are (i think they came from ms??). if you have the fonts installed on your > w/s, > pop open the character map utility & turn on the advanced view. > >> http://www.ascenderfonts.com/font/irisupc-bold.aspx), and are NOT >> generally-available fonts on a Mac OS10.4+. Am I correct? > > no they're not. what comes w/OSX thai is mainly codepage-based fonts (which i > find funny in the extreme considering how much juice apple has spent on the > ICU > project). the PSL family of fonts are unicode based (i think): > http://www.fontpsl.com/ in any case they seem to be the ones most of the > design > weenies i know use. they're not free though. > >> I have also found references to these Thai Mac fonts: Ayuthaya, >> Krungthep, Sathu, Silom, Thonburi and Lucida Grande - which seem to come >> pre-installed on Mac OS10.2+, but I am not 100% sure these are unicode - >> do you know? > > Lucida Grande is (similar to Lucida sans unicode on windows), i think the > others > aren't (kind of old if i recall correctly). > >> The designers do not seem to know unicode from a hole in the ground. > > yup, truer word were never spoken ;-) > >> The client is all up-to-date Macs with 10.2+ as far as I know. > > can't you just ask them what fonts they have? > >> Do you think I will be better off re-configuring the app to use a Thai >> codepage (tis-620 ?) instead of utf-8? is that a standard for Thai > > you already know what i'd say to that idea. > > in any case, even though TIS-620 is a "standard" you will find more > windows-874 > (which as per ms world domination plan is a superset of TIS-620). and you'd > still be stuck w/the OSX & windows codepage differences anyway in the end. > >> websites? i would rather keep it all unicode/utf-8, because knowing this >> client they will probably want to have a site in multiple languages >> sometime soon... > > well you could roll out an instance per code page which i think adam & ben > would > appreciate for the extra cf licenses you'd sell ;-) > >> My Lao is pretty bad as well, at least on the speaking/reading side :) > > well there's always google's translation tools for a good laugh. > >> Too late to learn it now - moving to Hong Kong in a month. Time to learn >> Chinese, I guess... > > i'd take laos over HK any day. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:323964 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
