> Lets be fair Rick, Ok...I'll try to play nice... :o)
I don't think I'd have much objection if DW had been $500 and CFB $300...or DW $300 and CFB $150, etc... -----Original Message----- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! "But I, like others, was quite shocked when the price tag for a plug-in was revealed as $300, same as Dreamweaver." Lets be fair Rick, ColdFusion Builder can and will be installed as a stand alone product in a very large number of cases. Mainly by those that never use an Eclipse based product at this point. ColdFusion Builder is MORE than just a plug-in and it does Integrate to your entire development environment (in some cases better than others). Those of us that code CFML all day everyday need a full featured product that works and is fast. ColdFusion Builder has that potential. Next, $299 for and IDE that make you productive IS worth it. I am probably the only person not complaining about the price in this thread even though I was really hoping Adobe would price it in the $99 to $149 price range. Wil On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected]>wrote: > > I don't think there's really *any* IDE that I think is worth $300 > currently, > since there are really good free and low-cost options available. > > I'm not a coder who would benefit from all the functionality that > CFBuilder (or CFEclipse, for that matter) offers, since I don't need > the "high-end" functionality that some coders on this list would > benefit from. > > But I, like others, was quite shocked when the price tag for a plug-in > was revealed as $300, same as Dreamweaver. > > Perhaps it really should be $300 if it took 40% of your "resources" > (whatever that is...hours of work?...development budget?) to get the > product out. And how much income does "1/30th that of ColdFusion Server" > represent? And I wonder how long it took Mark Drew to write CFEclipse > as a "part-time" project apart from his day job? One part-time coder > versus 40% of Adobe's "resources". Adobe took what...a year and a half > to get CFBuilder created as a plug-in, with Eclipse already existing as > a foundation and CFEclipse as a reference model? (Maybe the coders took > longer than they should) > > It would definitely put things into proper perspective to know what > Adobe's investment in monetary terms has been as compared to projected > revenue. But Adobe doesn't have to justify anything to me, as Dave Watts > has pointed out. > > They do, however, have to enable me to justify spending the money on > a product that's offered. > > Just one thing that would have probably caused me to purchase > CFB...inclusion > of state-sustaining, manual code folding. But that's just something I > personally > have desired...doesn't seem to be a desired feature for many others. That > functionality, alone, is worth $300 to me to increase my productivity in > navigating increasingly complex and lengthy pages. I would pay $300 to get > that functionality added to CFEclipse...and I probably will at some point. > I'd code it myself if I had a clue of how to do it. > > Thanks for listening... > > Rick > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:06 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! > > > Rick, > > I'm still curious to know what a $299 IDE would constitute in your opinion. > This entire thread has been about price and price alone, with a single > mention of feature or worth. > > For the record (and I hope I don't get in trouble to for this in print), > the > projected revenue of ColdFusion Builder is 1/30th that of ColdFusion > Server, > yet we devoted nearly 40% of our resources to build it... you tell me if > that math sounds like "making as high a return as possible with every > product". > > You've got the wrong opinion about Adobe, the ColdFusion team and myself. > > It's easy to paint Adobe as some big evil corporate entity but I speak for > myself and the CF team when I say our number one goal is to empower our > customers to create. > > -Adam > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rick Faircloth > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Realize, that "I" haven't stated that the shareholders are > greedy...that's > > simply the reason (in different terms) that others have offered as an > > explanation for the high price of CFB. > > > > If I knew for a fact that they were making a reasonable profit at $299, > > I'd have no complaint...you've got to recoup investment and *some* > profit. > > > > But others in this discussion have suggested that it's the shareholders > who > > insist on making as high a return as possible with every product. I > don't > > know that for a fact, so I wouldn't so it was so. > > > > And as to the reasoning that Adobe is simply trying to "sweeten the deal" > > by providing a copy of CFB to the Flash Builder community for $50 is > quite > > insulting to those of us who are not Flash Builder users. Adobe, in that > > case, > > would simply be charging a premium to those of us who don't use Flash > > Builder > > to subsidize what amount to almost a giveaway to the Flash Builder > > community. > > > > Yes, I feel aggravated by that and somewhat indignant, if the above is > > true. > > I'd think the first community Adobe would want to offer a substantial > > discount > > for CFB would those who own CF Server. (And realize, that wouldn't > benefit > > me, > > since I use a VPS offered by a hosting company and no longer own a CF > > server > > beyond 4.2) > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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