>Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after ten years CF still >hasn't been able to shake off the "cf is dying" stigma.
True this. Scour the web - how many other languages have their devoted developers constantly asking this same question over and over? PHP? Ruby? Java? Etc.? Some HAVE actually "died" in the broadest sense of the word, by being about as low on the "technologies chosen for new projects" totem pole, but their communities just keep chugging away without a peep, like factory worker children. It's pretty funny how us CFers are always looking in the mirror like some collective Stuart Smalley or something. I haven't used CF9 yet (gasp! He's not on the bandwagon! GET HIM!!), but I know and have come to accept the limitations of CF8 and earlier, and I still make a huge, comfortable living writing useful code in this language. I'll just start to feel good again when someone on one of my favored lurk lists will hold up that damned mirror. CFer's, listen up! You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You!! ;) Tongue in cheek, of course. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340904 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm