I made no jab about Adobe's opinion on the open source community, I suggest you re-read my post and you will see that in fact I only mentioned "Adobe Attitude" as one of the reasons people have told me they did not stick with CF. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the open source community. I purposefully AVOIDED mentioning that to avoid you having a jab at me again, but I guess I failed.
Russ On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Adrocknaphobia <[email protected]>wrote: > > Well I think perspective makes a difference. Hopefully you can understand > that I'm exposed to much more of the community than those on this list > might > be - especially the anti-Adobe sentiment. 3 years ago when I blogged about > OpenBD, I was right to be skeptic given the history of New Atlanta. Back > then I feared that this would cause a divide in our already small > community, > which it unfortunately has (whether you choose to believe it or not). > > If you need any evidence of the anti-CF comments, feel free to browse my > blog comments. Some are quick to forget all that CF has done in the past > and > continues to do to support this community. I think some also forget that > the > ColdFusion team is made up of human beings with real feelings. We pour our > hearts and energy into this product and community. Then along comes a few > people who decide to build a near identical clone of ColdFusion. After > several failed years of trying to compete with CF commercially, they give > the product away through open source and market directly to ColdFusion > customers. Suddenly they are heros and can do no wrong. How do you think > this makes the _people_ behind CF feel? So yes, I am commonly guilty of > letting my emotions get the better of me and I fight back when I should > take > the high road and ignore our critics. I'm human... and I'm proud of the > work > my team does. Whether the threat is PHP or Railo, I'm going to defend my > product and my team. > > Which ever way you slice it, OpenBD/Railo are the direct competitors of > ColdFusion. I know some wish that wasn't the case, but it that is the > reality of the world we live in. > > The point of my message was to express unity with Russ's comments. However, > Russ has a tendency to throw in jabs about Adobe's view on the open source > competitors. > > As far as OpenCFML goes. It failed from a lack of contribution from Railo > and OpenBD. The only thing I'm guilty of was being honest with community. > > -Adam > > On Jan 21, 2011 2:30 AM, "Larry Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Excuse me who has been very hostile to the open source community, for > instance your recent comment on CFEclipse is a very good example. Or your > comments about Open BlueDragon when it first started for another. > > And you cannot say its a defensive matter on your part. So when you start > that sort of crap its hypocrisy on your part. If anything the Open Source > community in CF is trying to grow the CF community. The only hostility I've > really seen has been on YOUR part. > > The fact is that the availability of alternative open source engines > deflates the often used argument against CF about it costing too much. > Moreover the open source CF engines serve to get more into coldfusion. For > instance 3 sites I've developed started off using Open BlueDragon. Later > each one of those moved up to CF Standard. That is something that would not > have happened without the open source CF engine. With your attitude towards > the open source community, its serving to hurt further expansion of the CF > community. That is detrimental to Adobe's bottom line in the long run. > > > > >Russ, > > > >You're preaching to the choir... well except for that last part which is > >ridiculous. Th... > > >to. > >> > >> The other reasons I hear :- > >> > >> Lack of decent developers (for companies that use contr... > >seen > >a > >shops > >close > >movement > >in > >will > >generation. > > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341080 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
