Will some one please pull the plug on the troll bait? It is OT, counter productive an ENTIRELY unprofessional for technical support forum. This is our face to the rest of the world. If you feel the need to squabble, please take it to CF community.
G! On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Irvin Gomez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments. > > > > > > > I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is > > dying a very slow death: why are you the > > > one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community > > these days? > > > > CFLib is Ray's "responsibility" because it's his. It's not Adobe's. > > It's not "the community's". > > > > > How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would > > show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? > > > > How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past? > > The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they? > > > > > The signs are everywhere: this list has very little "new blood". > > > > Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I > > see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature > > developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the > > list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily > > find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still > > see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe > > forums. > > > > > The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with > > stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing > > > to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in > > those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the > > choir. > > > > I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most > > part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc. > > They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the > > things that interest them. > > > > > Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not > > allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive > > financial benefit from. > > > > Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or > > Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to > > begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never > > going to take over the world - but it's successful. > > > > > Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it > > would be much better if the powerful voices in the community > > acknowledged > > > that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. > > Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my > > > opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who > > disagree with it. > > > > Presumably, the "powerful voices in the community" have work to do. > > They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better. > > Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product > > evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe. > > > > As for "attacking the messenger": the worst I've seen is that you've > > been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that > > description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's > > been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this > > list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending > > more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The > > "powerful voices in the community" will finally see the light or > > something? No. There is no real justification for posting "CF is > > dying" on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome > > possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you > > wanted or not. > > > > You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write > > the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to > > be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish > > anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing. > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
