> Well that's fine (and, yes, that's how you do the deployment). But a > language is what you type in to the IDE or text editor, not what it > compiles down to, or that one deploys. Java byte code is no more Java than > CFML is, for that matter. > > CFML is not Java. Java is Java.
That's true from a developer's perspective. But from a deployment perspective, it's very nice to have the ability to hand off an app to someone who's in charge of a J2EE stack and not have to tell them anything or do anything special (although they will typically ask you why on earth the EAR file is so huge). And frankly that's where the value of Java really is. It's not the language, which is fairly obtuse and less-than-pleasant. No one's excited about writing Java code. That's why there are all these other languages that run on the JVM: Groovy, Clojure, Scala, Jython, JRuby, etc. It seems like Java programmers spend more time looking for ways not to write Java, than they do actually writing Java. > A better defence of CFML's Javaness would be to point out that one can > instantiate Java classes and call methods upon them natively in CFML, but > this still doesn't make CFML Java. Plus - on reflection - one can also do > the same with .NET classes/objects I think and no-one is suggesting CFML is > C#...? You can't call .NET assemblies "natively" from CFML. You need an interop product for that (provided by JIntegra, kind of clunky). The level of integration is far greater with CFML and Java. A CFML app IS a Java app, as far as Java is concerned. Your CFML web app has J2EE sessions (if you checked that box in the CF Admin), and you can write an application that's half-CFML, half servlet/JSP/POJO classes and they will share the same memory space - same application and session scopes. Your .cfm files are themselves servlets. > CFML is a cool language, but it's dead. The former does not preclude the > latter. The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. - John Maynard Keynes In the short run, I'm still making money with CF. I don't do as much CF work as I used to, and I do more Java and .NET work than I used to, but CF isn't dead yet. It's declining, but there's plenty of time before it hits bottom - and that is the natural state of affairs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354965 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
