Yea well I agree Ray, but they are also the people getting cheap VPS's and
not securing there servers too.

What we can do, I am not sure there is any more than what is being done...

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Raymond Camden <raymondcam...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> If securing your server is considered extra curricular activity - ie stuff
> you would do at a user group - then your priorities are way out of wack.
>
> (I mean you in general, not you specifically Andrew. ;)
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > Probably not... Other people should also remember that not everyone
> spends
> > time online in groups, they are 9 to 5 developers who have a life. These
> > are the people who set these things up, these are the people that aren't
> > being reached. Can more be done, don't think so.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Raymond Camden <raymondcam...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Playing attention to the requirement to inform these people about the
> > > > need for extra lock down early in the process would be more effective
> > > > in solving the problem than Adobe employees and evangelists ignoring
> > > > the fact that these people exist and doing nothing more than yelling
> > > >
> > >
> > > Um... who exactly is ignoring these people? You may argue the CF team
> > > should do *more*, but they are not *ignoring* anyone. The Secure
> Profile
> > > was a *big* step to try to help lock things down out of the box. Hiring
> > > Pete to write a guide, and hosting it, on *additional* steps was a good
> > too
> > > imo.
> > >
> > > Can even more be done - maybe so. I'd like the installer to point to
> the
> > > lock down guide so folks know it exist.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rah, Rah, Adobe as if the company had no place in the solution.
> > >
> > >
> > > As if Adobe hasn't at least made an effort - oh wait - they did.
> > >
> > > Users must take some responsibility too, Maureen. You can't put it all
> on
> > > Adobe's shoulders here. If you let your nephew install a server and
> don't
> > > bother to double check his work, that is *your* fault, no one else.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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