> i don't think figleaf is a CF-only shop.
>
> autobytel is more or less a CF-only shop (i worked there for
> a year and a half) but they're not in the business of hosting
> applications for 3rd parties.
>
> my guess is this *probably* doesn't adversely affect the core
> business of either.
No, the new CF 5 hosting licensing doesn't affect Fig Leaf in the least. We
don't do hosting, and our applications end up being deployed on dedicated
servers owned or leased by our clients at the hosting facilities of their
choice. The cost of application server software ends up being a very small
item in the total cost of developing, deploying and maintaining an
enterprise application.
And, not to make the very vocal portion of folks who have very strong
negative opinions about this even angrier, the constant increase of the
price of CF, as it continues to include new features for application
development, isn't a bad thing for us. At this point, it looks like CF 5
will ship with Macromedia Generator 2 Enterprise Edition "in-the-box". Since
quite a few of our applications use both CF and Generator already (currently
requiring separate installations and separate licensing), this is probably a
good thing.
As I see it, there simply isn't much other direction for CF to go except up
(in feature-set and price). Comparisons with PHP and ASP are kind of silly,
as neither of those products has a relationship to a vendor in the
traditional sense. PHP is simply free, with no vendor at all, and ASP is
even worse - a product that, despite having a vendor, doesn't exist to make
money at all! ASP is just a way for Microsoft to sell more copies of NT/2K
and Visual Studio. Macromedia doesn't exist in this sort of happy unreality
- they've got a decent product in a pretty competitive environment, and they
feel (rightly or wrongly) that their product's survival rests with the
ability to compete at the high end, since the low-end products are free.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
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