One more opinion about browsers -
Somebody needs to raise the bar. If we all coded using present
W3C standards and 5-10% of the population can't view it properly, then
that's their fault, not the coder's. Not everybody can always use the
latest and greatest features, but they should be forced to at some
point, shouldn't they? The way I see it, those viewers using netscape
4.x and lower should be forced to deal with crappy pages, unusable
javascript, and non-functioning CSS. It might persuade them to upgrade
to a browser which works, AND is free as well. Progress waits for
nobody.
- Matt Small
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From: jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration?
We get the same thing from our WebTV users... also a small, but vocal
percentage.
I've also noticed a drop in complaints, though. My impression is that
the
latest version of WebTV can support Java and whatnot pretty well, but
I'm
not sure if it's even being sold anymore. The price of regular PC's has
come
down so low that one wonders why anyone would buy a clumsy device like a
webtv.
-- jon
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jon roig
online community services manager
epilepsy foundation
tel: 215.850.0710
site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration?
The site I mentioned in my previous e-mail is also an RV site. About the
same traffic. Average age of registered users is 56.
My biggest problem isn't NS users, it's WebTV users. Currently, we only
get
about 1.5 percent WebTV, but I get complaints from them all of the time.
Not so much design, but a lot of functionality (javascripts, form
submissions, picture uploads) don't work or don't work as well or work
inconsistently with WebTV (thought I haven't received a complaint in
several
months, so maybe WebTV has improved).
The redesign I'm working on right now looked great in IE. It totally
falls
apart in NS 4.7. It's totally useless in 4.7. And my code is W3
validated.
But CSS is a huge problem. My solution will probably be to do a browser
redirect and send NS users to a totally stripped down version of the
site.
It will pretty much be just black text, white background and links and
forms. No design. I want to have a site that useable for those 7
percent,
but with such a small audience, I'm not going to waste a lot of time on
it.
As far as I'm concerned (and this is just a personal opinion and how I
approach site building), IE's won.
H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration?
We run an RV Classified site with about 40,000 visitors per month. The
average age of Rver's is in their early 60's. Believe it or not, about
1.5% of our visitors use Netscape 3.0.
We've had to code in FONT tags with the CSS classes so it didn't look
horrible in NS 3.0
Tom Nunamaker
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration?
Here's my .02 cents....
I'm leaning towards giving more consideration to the Netscape 6.0 above
but
I'm not ready to declare Netscape 4.75 dead. I think there's still about
10
percent of the internet users that are using Netscape 4.75. Netscape 6.0
is
coming along real nicely and I've seen some users jumping over from IE
to
Netscape 6.0.
It would make sense if someone would overlook some of the small design
differences between Netscape 4.75 and 6.0 +. However, I wouldn't go too
far
in ignoring some of the glaring layout differences. The clients we work
with
generally have no understanding why there's a browser war, why netscape
4.75
doesn't support some of the HTML tags as well as IE does and etc. It
would
hurt the contractors' reputation if they were to ignore 4.75 as of now.
If anyone wants to work with IE 5.5 and Netscape 6.0+ exclusively then
there
are almost zero differences between those versions. It'll make your job
much
easier.
I have a small site tracking system on my site and every one user in
about
10 or 15 users are showing up with a 4.75 version. So I have no choice
but to
design sites for 3 different versions. Thus, I'd recommend you do the
same
thing.
> For the longest time, I've coded my sites to take into account
> Netscape users but with the ever-dwindling numbers of Navigator
> afficianados and IE's continued growth, I've been wondering if I
> should even bother worrying about
> whether my sites work with Netscape.
>
> Since this has been one of my best resources for info and some of the
> most talented and savvy people that I've met post to CF-Talk, I was
> hoping that I could get some good feedback.
>
> So, if we consider that the apps that I'm developing will be geared
> towards the Internet consumer at large and I won't have the luxury of
> developing for a controlled environment like a corporate intranet, I
> beg the question:
>
> Should I continue to worry about Netscape? If so, which version should
> serve
> as a baseline?
>
> Looking forward to your responses.
>
> C-ya,
>
> Rey...
Nathaniel Horwitz
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doesn't
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