Hmmmm... I think that Geoff, Mark and a few others are always doing presentations on Coldfusion related products.
As for recommending I would think it will depend on the situation and the project. As for Killer sites, yeah well I agree... But I will say what Scott Barnes said, even though it is easier said than done. But he is right. Regards Andrew Scott -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Barber Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:25 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? <summary of blog post> Would I recommend Coldfusion to someone new in the industry, well frankly no. Realistically it has no future (puts on flame proof suit). So what can you do about it. DON"T be complacent. Consider this besides WebDU and your CFUG. How many presentations have people done on Cold fusion. How many kill sites where highlighted as Coldfusion sites. I've not heard of any, so if I'm wrong tell me. But people you need to get outside of the user groups back into the rest of the web industry. If you really love this product and it's more than a day job get out there promote it to others. The rest of the web community hears about RoR, PHP and .Net all the time.. Coldfusion... - "oh thats that dead language". It's a PR problem. Okay you say "but I have all the work I need, why should I bother at all". Well you can sit around with all your work, but in a few years the work level will start to drop and at that stage it will be terminal, Coldfusion will be dead. The reason you have lots of work, simple others have left, and you are picking up their slack. Adobe are not going to help you. Australia is a small market, if the Coldfusion numbers dropped in Australia but remained the same in the US. I don't think Adobe HQ would really be that concerned. Lets be very realistic here. Adobe doesn't make a lot of money out of Coldfusion in Australia, it makes more out of CS3 etc. Adobe guys, lets be real here, you don't have the budget. So if Adobe isn't going to help, what can you do. Encourage the installation of the CF opensource alternatives. Okay they are not 100% cf8, but it is a good stable platform for cfml development that is very low in cost. Stop being purists. CF has to Open source in Australia to help it survive. Also is you get industry to push the CF opensource alternatives, and educational institutions will follow suit and train graduates in CF. Adobe (US) may even wake up at some point. So what can you do now. We email, phone, IM a web professional group that is not your CFUG and go organise to do a presentation of your latest CF project. I would love to see this happen, but a little part of me doesn't think you guys can do it. Prove me wrong. -- Gary Barber Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com barry.b wrote: > OK Gary - I'll bite: how? > > everyone else shoosh (at least for a sec - please?) - I want to hear a > fresh perspective, considering a bunch of us has thrashed this point > many times... > > > > On Apr 9, 2:53 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> <delurk> >> >> Problem with all these suggestions are they are preaching to the >> choir. Coldfusion needs to be seen to be a viable product OUTSIDE of >> the Coldfusion community. >> >> </delurk> >> >> -- >> Gary Barber >> Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect >> >> Web: radharc.com.au >> blog: manwithnoblog.com >> >> >> >> Michael Dinowitz wrote: >> >>> <totally self serving suggestion> >>> You know, having a full set of Fusion Authority Quarterly Update on >>> your shelf for people to see might have a positive effect. :) >>> </totally self serving suggestion> >>> >>> We've been thinking about trying to set up a fulfillment center in >>> Australia to ship the books out to people locally rather than send >>> them from the US. Alternatively, we could give the CFUGs a discount >>> for a mass order for their members. One thing we've always said is >>> that books on a shelf and/or in a store can do more for a language >>> than many arguments.- Hide quoted text - >>> >> - Show quoted text - >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
