And in a way that is similar to us. When I started for this company, I had 5 sites I was maintaining in CF. Now I am responsible for one major Intranet Application. At that time there was 3 of us, 2 Java consultants and myself.
We made the decision that if we as a company wanted to grow, java was the way to do it. So in 8 months we grew to 26 developers (25 being Java), there is absolutely no way this would have happened for us as a company if we remained a Coldfusion house. That seems to be the reality for a lot of companies, not just our experience. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Renando Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 10:06 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? And every 2 years, this board arrives at the same outcome of diversification of skills. I will admit that there is value in specialisation bot as a developer and a studio. But unless you are niche or captive, any sort of growth will see a diverse sort of working coming in the door. In any given week I will have projects with solutions to be maintained or developed in php, .asp, .NET, FLEX, Flash, and yes, CF. By default, I will look for a resouorce with skills in the native language of the application. Because we are a Microsoft house, we have a visible agenda to migrate over to .NET, but only if it is in the best interest of the business objectives. In the case of CF, we are experiencing situations where the lack of available (eg., schedule and budget) resources push a redevelopment to aa more accessible language before it is comfortable for the business. If the applicants walking through my door had CF as a line item, I would welcome the opportunity to support existing CF applications, as I think it's a great language. If they only had CF, I wouldn't touch them because I would rather invest in developing technologies with more opportunity in the market. Chad who wouldn't touch the developer either way due to his company's sexual harrassment policy On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Peter Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > @Andrew, > > I'll have to question that both CF devs can't find work and those with > work can't find CF devs. Of course, in a fragmented market with > inefficient distribution it is possible for there to be both a > shortage of developers and a shortage of work in localized areas. If > that really is the case, the solution is simply a more efficient > mechanism for associating CF devs to the work that is waiting for them > - marketing or building the size of the market isn't the problem at all. > > I don't know enough about the Australian market, but my experience in > Australia, the US and the UK is that right at the moment there is > pretty strong demand for CF development skills and the lack of good CF > devs is the primary issue which is why I know people are looking at > ways of getting CF more involved in the education space. > > Best Wishes, > Peter > > > > On Apr 11, 2008, at 7:22 PM, CyberAngel wrote: > > > > > Barry, > > > > No the raw numbers really can't compare, it is a big indication yes. > > > > The problem is that and I'll have to say this because it is a catch 22 > > situation, and the evidence is in what has already been discussed. > > > > People are having a hard time finding Coldfusion developers, those > > who are > > coldfusion developers can't find work. So those who can't find the > > developers move to something with the resources, and those who can't > > get the > > work go to where the work is. > > > > This has been the trend that I have seen for the last 5 years, the > > problem > > is going to be how to break the cycle. > > > > Andrew Scott > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf > > Of Barry Beattie > > Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 9:18 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > > not FUD > > from them too? > > > > > >> But you are both non Australians, and here in Australia the job > >> market is > >> nonexistent and has been that way for 5 years. > > > > Andrew, are you talking about raw numbers compared to .NET, Java, PHP? > > then yes you're right - the available positions at any one time can't > > compare > > > > http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&Keywords=coldfusion > > &searchfrom=quick > > > > but with such low numbers (both of available developers and of > > positions available) small fluctuations impact greatly - businesses > > not finding CF people and therefore going elsewhere is one concern in > > such conditions. > > > > having said that, the project I'm now finishing off certainly wasn't > > origionally written by an experianced CF developer... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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