This is exactly what I hate about Microsoft. They blind you with noise, give you a whole lot of crap you don't need.
Using ASP.net and such is a massive assumption that the general populous will continue to use Windows. There's a few people at Gartner saying Windows is dead :) Scott you do make some good points, however 'going the microsoft way' is not the solution for everything (which generally is what microsoft people will evangelize, ie; what you're indirectly doing now). On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The difference between an MVP and Adobe CE is folks are measured yearly on > their efforts. For example, if you make MVP this year because you did an > outstanding job last year (and made the criteria that the independent body > agreed upon) it doesn't automatically mean you'll get it next year if you > decide to get bored with the idea. > > It's apples for oranges really, but the point I was trying to make is whom > are your/our (still consider myself a cfaussie) leaders, what recognition do > they get and above all what level of support? (ie Barry Beattie comes to > mind a lot when I think of this). > > I could really go to town on this but I think I'm overstepping my > boundaries as be clear, I'm Microsoft and can't speak my mind on this one > topic. > > Suffice to say the following: > > > - *There is lack of maturity in the local CF ranks.* Most of the > ranking officers/generals in ANZ are either in management roles or in other > languages (Java, .NET etc). This is really bad, as whom are mentoring the > Juniors? and more importantly what are they teaching them? > - *There is lack of marketing spend.* This doesn't have to be > billboards, events, rally points if you will are marketing amongst other > means. We had really small budget to market Silverlight with last year, we > made it scale and that product was zero install in January last year. > - *There is lack of diversity.* Folks, we are never one brand and i > encourage you all to consider going beyond your comfort zones. There is a > large IT world out there whom will not award you points for being 100% > loyal > to one brand. Allow yourself to be around other communities whom may not > like your technology preferences, but i guarantee you, they will respect > you > as professional for looking at theres. Diversity is key, as it forms > relationship and fosters various adoption lifecyles that benefit all. If > you're not getting the numbers you need with a UG, look at merging or > colloborating with others. People donate 1-2hrs of their personal time to > attend these, make them feel its an investment, not a chore. > - *The old days are gone. *Who cares what happened in the last 3-5 > years. What people care about is what's happening in the next 3-5 years. > Cynergy Systems for example, told me last year at MIX07 in Vegas "we're > announcing our support of Silverlight" and they did so because they > believed > in our roadmap and our vision for the future. I have countless more stories > like this, roadmaps are currency as todays' technology weakness is > tomorrow's strength. I won't preach at you, but ask yourself a simple > question, where do you see Coldfusion heading in 3-5 years? not just the > server itself but the surrounding ecosystem. > - *There is lack of rapid prototyping.* Rapid prototyping is > something more and more companies are looking for daily. if you can't > produce a solution in minimal time, whilst your competitor can, weigh up > what you're doing and why you are doing it that way. Broaden your horizons > and understand that it's not about quality, it's mostly about quantity. > Ruby > On Rails, can be the most awful solution known to man in the wrong hands, > and it sadly does end up in the wrong hands a lot, but the reason why it > had > a nice amount of run on the boards was simply because it empowered > engineers > to pump out solutions rapidly. > - *There is lack of community spirit. *Go to a CFUG? what value does > one get? It's an open ended question. If all folks get is to see a video or > presentation they can view online anyway then what value are you adding to > peoples lives. Whom are you inviting to speak and what value are they > offering? Are you talking to the same people? Is debating on CFAussie > really > the right place to do so? and so on... where is your aggregation point for > the CF virgin out there? how does one sound a bell and all flock to a > single > rally point and what is that rally point? > > CF locally "is" or "isn't" on the decline really is not the argument here. > Assume for this exercise it is, say there entire system is about to crumble > and FUD is based of truth. Now what would you do differently to change that > and how would you execute it? I say this as we assume .NET is losing numbers > daily and we expect it to grow by 20% each year and that's what we do, we > work hard to make it grow year on year. We never relax as being successful > is really easy, staying successful, now that is truly an art. > > When I joined the CF Community many years ago, CFUG.org.au for one was my > entrance, the people I meet throughout my career have been remarkable and > have been close friends. I have a lot of good and bad stories to tell around > this language and I'll be honest, it's something I hope to instill into the > Silverlight/WPF community world-wide going forward. I understood what makes > a technology community great, and it wasn't brand worship or individuals > within Macromedia/Adobe we should worship, it was more the people around the > brand/company. Folks you looked up to and respected because they knew xyz > feature better than any and would drop what they were doing to educate you > on it. > > Anyway, enough my nostalgia, fact is there is a lot of weaknesses in > Coldfusion right now and seeing a lot jobs for CF is one thing, seeing a lot > of the same jobs a month later is equally as bad as not seeing jobs for > Coldfusion. There's a distinction in quality vs quantity there. > > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:09 AM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > No offence Peter & Charlie, > > > > > > > > But you are both non Australians, and here in Australia the job market > > is nonexistent and has been that way for 5 years. > > > > > > > > The point I made to Sean was simple, if the sales of Coldfusion is > > stronger than ever before. Why are the jobs for Coldfusion not increasing? > > And since that discussion nothing has changed. > > > > > > > > The perception is still the same, now whether we get out there more and > > promote the product is not the issue. But whether Adobe get out there and > > help us out more on this issue as well. > > > > > > > > But till there is a market shift in more jobs, this could be discussed > > for the next 5 years and that's when I want to see more jobs for Coldfusion > > developers. But right now what incentive is a prospective Coldfusion > > developer have if there is no job for him/her to go too? > > > > > > > > Same words, same argument only 5 years later. > > > > > > > > Andrew Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > > Behalf Of *charlie arehart > > *Sent:* Saturday, 12 April 2008 3:19 AM > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > > not FUD from them too? > > > > > > > > Good on ya, Pete. :-) And good point about how more may be being done > > than is recognized. We clearly have a large hill to climb, and it may seem > > like we're making no progress. Good to point out that there are indeed some > > efforts underway. > > > > > > > > /charlie > > > > > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > > Behalf Of *Peter Bell > > *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > > not FUD from them too? > > > > > > > > And as mentioned when this came up on another list recently, I think > > people do evangelize outside the community. In the last year I presented at > > ooPSLA '07 in Montreal, the Domain Specific Modeling Forum, the British > > Computer Society Software Practices Advancement group and Code Generation > > 2007. In each case there are some pretty influential developers and in each > > case I mention the language I use and why I choose it over Python, PHP, > > Ruby, C# or Java. > > > > > > > > Of course, the thing about evangelizing outside of the community is that > > nobody within the community knows when it's being done! > > > > > > > > Also Dan Wilson is doing great stuff on DZone and Kay S on SitePoint > > getting the ColdFusion word out, so it's getting there . . . > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
