You just defeated your own argument and you still don't get it. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com
-----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CyberAngel Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:47 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Dale, That's because JRun is configured for you when you install the standard version of Coldfusion. JRun is an Application Server, without it Coldfusion standard won't run. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 2:33 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Andrew is having a debate about nothing, the fact that JRUN is serving my application, he is missing the point that I don't buy, I don't download, I don't configure JRUN. I buy and run ColdFusion and it is my application server, without it my applications wouldn't be served. JRUN is just the technology that makes it work. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:10 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? How can you say that dale? What about when CF was C++? Was it then a framework for developing C++ applications? -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 1:31 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Yep, You got it right, .NET is an application server too. >From that same wiki article, which you obviously didn't read. "Microsoft's contribution to application servers is the .NET Framework." WebSphere and ColdFusion are similar, they both provide a framework for developing java applications. And just in case you don't believe that article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_ColdFusion the coldfusion entry states, cough first line " ColdFusion is an application server" And if you still don't believe it, try searching the Adobe site for ColdFusion Application Server. 9,210 Matches Or Damon Cooper's blog http://www.dcooper.org/Blog/client/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=63D2B5C8-4E22- 1671-5226B7EB7BED71D9 "ColdFusion defined a new market space when it was released in 1995. Today, the web application server holds an important place in Adobe's developer product portfolio." The 74,300 entries on Google for "ColdFusion Application Server" might help also. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CyberAngel Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 11:03 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Dale, If we go by your words of wisdom, php, jsp, ruby, RoR to name a few are Application Servers. Application servers are what I call IIS, Apache, TomCat, WebSphere and JBoss to name a few. None of these actually allow you to do any programming, Coldfusion is a scripting language that is a markup language that needs something else to deliver the content (Which is the role of an Application Server). Now under IIS and Apache, Coldfusion needs connectors which help connect the runtime to the Application Server for the standard version of Coldfusion. However in the enterprise version of Coldfusion, it requires an Application server to run the coldfusion code, such as JRun, Tomcat, JBoss WebShere, etc. So by that, Coldfusion can't be called an Application server and a programming/scripting language in the sam breath either. By your definition we should be calling .Net framework an Application Server then too, or even Java and perl, and cgi based applications. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 12:55 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? No I disagree. JRUN is a Java Application Server. But something that sits on top of Java can also be an application server and then Java is just the technology. You need to look up what an application server is. This wiki will help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server "Following the success of the Java platform, the term application server sometimes refers to a Java Platform--Enterprise Edition (J2EE) or Java EE 5 application server." ColdFusion is the server product, the thing that serves your application's, the application server. CFML is the syntax used to create your applications. Thus ColdFusion is NOT a language, never has been. The same way that .NET is not a language (VB, C#), Google App Engine is not a language (Python) etc. ColdFusion could easily add support for another language, such as ActionScript, which further highlights that ColdFusion is NOT the language. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CyberAngel Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 10:24 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Actually Dale, you are wrong it is not an application server. JRun is an application server, and Coldfusion runs on top of Jrun and a very cut down version in the standard version. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 12:21 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Well, ColdFusion is NOT a programming language, it's an application server. CFML IS a programming language and a complete one, I have written complete applications in it, wholesale distribution, inventory, etc. But it's just ColdFusion's bad rep getting it's tyres blown out again, but I'm not worried as this will all be fixed when ColdFusion 9 supports ActionScript and they rebrand ColdFusion ActionScript server. :P Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 10:11 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? So why is PHP still on the list? 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