And I just gt through telling you that without JRun coldfusion will not run. But you're not listening.
A far as I am concerned, as a marketor I could write anything on my webpage. And if the user wants to believe the hype thats upto you. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I said, > > Write a letter to Adobe or Ben Forta to let them know. > > I'm off to uninstall ColdFusion and let JRUN serve my applications. > > Can you point me to a non wiki reference on how to configure JRUN once I > uninstall ColdFusion. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of CyberAngel > > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:36 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Dale, > > Coldfusion runs on top of JRun, which runs on top of Java. > > Get it right. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 2:33 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Steve, > > That's not what im saying. I was refuting Andrews dumb point that ColdFusion > can't be an application server because it runs on top of Java. Last time I > checked WebSphere did the same thing, but he calls that an application > server. > > According to Adobe (NOT ME) ColdFusion was the first commercially available > "Application Server" when it was released in 1995. > > Andrew is having a debate about nothing, the fact that JRUN is serving my > application, he is missing the point that I don't buy, I don't download, I > don't configure JRUN. I buy and run ColdFusion and it is my application > server, without it my applications wouldn't be served. JRUN is just the > technology that makes it work. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Steve Onnis > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 12:10 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > How can you say that dale? What about when CF was C++? Was it then a > framework for developing C++ applications? > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 1:31 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Yep, > > You got it right, .NET is an application server too. > > From that same wiki article, which you obviously didn't read. > > "Microsoft's contribution to application servers is the .NET Framework." > > WebSphere and ColdFusion are similar, they both provide a framework for > developing java applications. > > And just in case you don't believe that article. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_ColdFusion > the coldfusion entry states, cough first line " ColdFusion is an application > server" > > And if you still don't believe it, try searching the Adobe site for > ColdFusion Application Server. > 9,210 Matches > > Or > > Damon Cooper's blog > http://www.dcooper.org/Blog/client/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=63D2B5C8-4E22- > 1671-5226B7EB7BED71D9 > "ColdFusion defined a new market space when it was released in 1995. Today, > the web application server holds an important place in Adobe's developer > product portfolio." > > The 74,300 entries on Google for "ColdFusion Application Server" might help > also. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of CyberAngel > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 11:03 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Dale, > > If we go by your words of wisdom, php, jsp, ruby, RoR to name a few are > Application Servers. > > Application servers are what I call IIS, Apache, TomCat, WebSphere and JBoss > to name a few. > > None of these actually allow you to do any programming, Coldfusion is a > scripting language that is a markup language that needs something else to > deliver the content (Which is the role of an Application Server). > > Now under IIS and Apache, Coldfusion needs connectors which help connect the > runtime to the Application Server for the standard version of Coldfusion. > However in the enterprise version of Coldfusion, it requires an Application > server to run the coldfusion code, such as JRun, Tomcat, JBoss WebShere, > etc. > > So by that, Coldfusion can't be called an Application server and a > programming/scripting language in the sam breath either. By your definition > we should be calling .Net framework an Application Server then too, or even > Java and perl, and cgi based applications. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 12:55 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > No I disagree. > > JRUN is a Java Application Server. But something that sits on top of Java > can also be an application server and then Java is just the technology. > > You need to look up what an application server is. This wiki will help. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server > > "Following the success of the Java platform, the term application server > sometimes refers to a Java Platform--Enterprise Edition (J2EE) or Java EE 5 > application server." > > ColdFusion is the server product, the thing that serves your application's, > the application server. > CFML is the syntax used to create your applications. > > Thus ColdFusion is NOT a language, never has been. The same way that .NET is > not a language (VB, C#), Google App Engine is not a language (Python) etc. > > ColdFusion could easily add support for another language, such as > ActionScript, which further highlights that ColdFusion is NOT the language. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of CyberAngel > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 10:24 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Actually Dale, you are wrong it is not an application server. > > JRun is an application server, and Coldfusion runs on top of Jrun and a very > cut down version in the standard version. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 12:21 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Well, > > ColdFusion is NOT a programming language, it's an application server. > CFML IS a programming language and a complete one, I have written complete > applications in it, wholesale distribution, inventory, etc. > > But it's just ColdFusion's bad rep getting it's tyres blown out again, but > I'm not worried as this will all be fixed when ColdFusion 9 supports > ActionScript and they rebrand ColdFusion ActionScript server. > > :P > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Chris Velevitch > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 10:11 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > So why is PHP still on the list? > > > Chris > -- > Chris Velevitch > Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney > m: 0415 469 095 > www.flashdev.org.au > > Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney > May meeting: tbd > Date: Mon 26th May 6pm for 6:30 start > Details and RSVP soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. 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