Dale, You just answered your question, forget about Application server will you it is not an application server.
Coldfusion as a product is there to serve your cfml, and when a request comes in from the Application Server and is sent to Coldfusion what is asking for. A page, not an application a page:-) Coldfusion then takes that request, does what it has to deliver the content back to the request. Does it deliver an entire Application, I think not. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 6:57 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? My point is, That you keep refusing to answer the questions, because you know your wrong. Unless you tell me that you didn't buy ColdFusion to serve your CFML or tell me what ColdFusion is doing for you if it's not serving your application, then you have proven my point. ColdFusion is Serving Your Applications. Kinda sounds like an Application Server Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CyberAngel Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 3:58 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Dale, Like I stated in another post, your question is answered with the fact that Coldfusion as a product can be deployed onto any supported Application Server. What's your point now. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 5:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Andrew, Yes I know it's all smoke and mirrors, you seem to think I don't know that JRUN is underneath it all, but you are still missing the whole point. Your just digging yourself a deeper hole, the whole marketing conspiracy is a bit much frankly. So rather than another ramble. Just answer these two questions. 1. If ColdFusion the PRODUCT isn't an Application Server then what is it. 2. If ColdFusion the PRODUCT isn't serving your application, what product did you purchase to serve your applications. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CyberAngel Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 2:50 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Dale, Coldfusion as a product as you put it beyond the scope of what you're arguing about. Whether I purchased Coldfusion and not JRun, doesn't make Coldfusion an Application Server. Let's look at this a bit deeper. Regardless of the Application Server, a servlet is needed to run the code. In this case it is actually a cfmServelet. This servelet setups filters that enable you to communicate via flex remote services (another servlet), LDS (another servlet), line debugger (another servlet), reports (another servlet) and many more. Together this is not an Application server. These are all different entry points, all have their own functions to do what they are required to achieve. Coldfusion itself or as you would prefer me say the cfml engine, is a servlet that when requested does a couple of things. It first takes the markup and compiles it, that's right it is an interpreter. This is dependant of your admin settings, but can compile to classes that are actually loaded later. Or it can keep compiling every time it interprets the markup. Now for that to actually happen it has to run on an Application Server, this is either the standard in built JRun and on a standard install it needs connectors between IIS/Apache to connect to and run the servlets. On an Enterprise solution, it is run as a war/ear on top of any supported Application server. Whichever way you look at it, the cfmServlets job is to compile the markup and provide a mechanism to the load that compiled code into the Application Server. Coldfusion is nothing more than a mechanism to deliver content, the problem arises when you can provide a lot of libraries to help you along the way. Hence your package of Coldfusion. Now, when I download Coldfusion I have the ability to chose the type of install. These include Multiserver, Standard or Enterprise. With the exception of Enterprise, which packages Coldfusion to run on another Application server. The other 2 require JRun which is installed by the installer. Now I could do this. I could go and get grails, and I could get jasper reports, iText and a number of other products. I could write servlets for these and create an application. Ooops I have done that, sorry can't name the product just yet. And release it as Blowfusion, sorry needed the piss. Now even though that application has a sole purpose, the one that I can't talk about. It has the ability to be extended using JSP, Grails or now even Coldfusion with the help of the smith engine and OpenBD. But I will not call it an Application Server, because the definition of server is to serve, not write code or compile code or even interpret code. Oh wait it has to interpret code so that it can run it, oops my bad. Dale, you see marketing is just that. It is there to make us believe something and hype up a product to more than it actually is. Then we get people come along who have done nothing but believe that hype. I could if I wanted, get a car shell and place it around a motor bike. And market it as a 2 wheel car, why because that's what it looks like. But is it really a 2 wheel car or is it a motor bike masquerading as a car? Coldfusion as a product is masquerading as an Application Server, because the marketing department don't want you to know that JRun is actually the Application Server that is doing all the work. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 4:00 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? Still you don't get it. So just explain to me, if ColdFusion isn't serving your applications, what is it doing for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume you purchased the ColdFusion PRODUCT and not JRUN. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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