I see you point that they (tools and frameworks) fill many of the same needs. That is probably true of every language.
But I disagree with the implication that a good tool is inherently better than a good framework. The choice is much more pragmatic than that: which option offers the best features, smoothest learning curve, etc. Visual Studio is the clear winner in the .NET space and frameworks are big in ColdFusion. Personally I'm happy to get my hands dirty with plumbing - I'm sure my understanding of application design and development is the better for it. Blair On 6/25/08, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure that convo will yield a lot and provide little :) After spending > some time look around for the past 5 years I've come to one sad conclusion > and I'm sure it's not popular thinking.. Frameworks in coldfusion exist to > compensate for lack of tooling, as if you have nothing to automate the > plumbing you now have to write the automation to then keep the pieces > manageable to connect. > > to answer this riddle, Imagine for a moment if everyone wrote .NET with > notepad? as of today - where would it be tomorrow? > > ** > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> Barnes' thoughts (or similar) are being echoed over on the CFC Dev >> list at the moment with people like Peter Bell, Sean Corfield, Brian >> Kotek and our very own Mark Mandel, amongst others. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/cfcdev/browse_thread/thread/2e90c0dbfecf5a59 >> " Doubts about Best Practices" >> >> why was fusebox invented in the firstplace? to push people into doing >> something more than writing spaghetti code. but you gotta have an idea >> of how to fix it before you can fully appreciate the problem. Hence >> the value of learning about design patterns. See the Donald Rumsfeld >> quote at the bottom >> >> let me leave you with some quotes: >> >> ... two from Albert Einstein >> >> "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more >> violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move >> in the opposite direction." >> - and - >> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." >> >> ... one I got reminded from by (of all people) Gary Menzel >> >> "Code for maintainance" >> >> ... and Donald Rumsfeld really sums it up >> >> "As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. >> We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there >> are some things we do not know. >> But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know we don't >> know." >> >> > >> > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
