I wasn't there but i never missed an oppurtunity to rub his nose in that
one... chuck says hi btw :)

.NET = Framework that's the zinger in this convo.. We agree frameworks rock,
we also agree that tools play a roll in keeping the code maitenance in a
happy state.. point is, if you're writing a framework to keep your codebase
maintainable when a tool could in theory take over the burden, then what
problem is being solved and who should own it tommorow (you own it today,
but it shouldn't stop there).

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Rae Buerckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Lol... I remember that breakfast Barry!
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> a fair point, Blair
>>
>> the other side of the equation of course is too much hand-holding that
>> it gets in the way, either by abstracting too much of the detail so
>> you don't know what's happening under the covers - or - it just plain
>> gets it wrong in edge-cases (special headers needed in CF webservices
>> spring to mind)
>>
>> I've still got a great memory of a WebDU breakfast a couple of years
>> back where Chuck was showing how easy it was to build an 
>> ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>
>> application in VS2005 ... which promptly broke when he ran it and he
>> had to go back to rebuild it and apply some setting he'd forgotten ...
>> happens to the best of us.
>>
>>
>> but this isn't helping Adam much...
>>
>> Adam, if you're still reading this, revisit the CFC dev website to get
>> a feel for how important "it depends" means when someone like Sean
>> Corfield says it.
>>
>> simple things will get you most of the way there
>>  - keep your view totally separate from your data access code
>>  - identify the "Gold" code (ie: it costs a fortune to make) and
>> protect that "investment" (eg: from change + retesting)
>>  - you can probably get away with having DAO's for single record
>> access (CRUD) and "gateway" CFC's for the rest. At least it's
>> something. Lots of choices to join up the middle bits
>>  - look at what Transfer can give you as a way to get things happening
>> quickly for data access
>>  - queries are more convenient (and faster) than arrays of objects,
>> structs easier to pass around than single objects
>>  - you gotta know the rules before you break them but breaking them is OK
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>


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Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com

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