> I have no clue as to what the hell Joe's up to with Model Glue.. i think
> that guy just creates frameworks for the sake of it vs attacking the
> problems at a niche level. It's like a mutated version of Coldspring,
> Mach-II and Fusebox mixed with some Cairngorm bits to flow into the Flex
> side of things..
>

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I don't actively use MG, but
I've looked pretty close at it, and its a very nice MVC framework.  The new
code gen features he has added seem to be more of a response to the
utilisation of XML than anything else.  That and the autowiring of
controllers from ColdSpring is pretty much how I would run with any MVC
framework, Mii, ColdBox, MG, whatever, as it simplifies the passing around
of dependencies, and actually abstracts away the implementation of
ColdSpring from your Controller code.

I don't see Joe doing anything majorly different from, and considering how
popular MG is, I don't think many other people share your opinion. (Although
I could be wrong).


> I'm not convinced that framework ontop of CF is the complete answer, i
> think there needs more smarts placed in tooling to compliment CFML.


While I agree that there is a CF tool problem (insert stupid joke about the
CFML community here ;o) ), I don't see it as one or the other - if/when the
tools come about, then I would expect that the frameworks would also
leverage those tools, and you would end up in a very nice place with both
high end frameworks and tools that complement them.  I guess it's a bit more
of a chicken and egg problem. In the MS world, the tooling came first. In
the CFML world, the frameworks came first.  I think we'll find they will
both reach the same conclusion in the end, just from different directions.

But I do see your point about tooling in CF, Adobe have already stated that
they know it is a problem.  Whether or not it will be solved... who knows?

Mark

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