@Eliseo & Mike

Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is
travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or
disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing
this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the
past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF
as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have
major exposure.

@ Mark & Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF

I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing
the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros
and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots
to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF.
how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the
"resources" (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can
overcome that.

E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ
for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for
CF and LifeCycle?

Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate
if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that
says "Powered by Adobe Coldfusion", Railo could also do the same
"powered by Railo Coldfusion"

Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in
Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes.

I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the
world.

Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't
really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already...

BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e.
Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid
one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in
melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it.

PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on
CF like the forementioned 2 companies.

In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in
ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that
CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell
it.

Chong

On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio <eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been jobs
> a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads I've seen
> come through... Granted they are not "pure" CF roles, but they are
> roles nonetheless.
>
> Eliseo
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear <afpwebwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are really hard to
> > find,  yet there have been only  handful of coldfusion contracts/permanent
> > jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney.
> > If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us by advertising?
> >   In Sydney  in the last 3 months there have been 3 coldfusion jobs
> > advertised and unless I'm looking in the wrong places,  that's it.
> > I dont know the answer.
> > But I'm here and available - with up to date technical knowlege, experience,
> >  business and project management knowledge and lots of other stuff to bring
> > to the table.
>
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> > Windsor, NSW, Australia
> > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> > AFP Webworks
> >http://afpwebworks.com
> > ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
> > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Oh boy, I think I have been saying that for like 8+ years now.
>
> >> Its the market, people are finding it hard to fill ColdFusion roles. So
> >> the only thing left is to move the product over to a more feasible language
> >> with a pool of developers that they can resource from.
>
> >> Until that changes for ColdFusion it will end up dying in this country,
> >> that's the reality of it. And this has been going on ever since ColdFusion
> >> was owned by Macromedia.
>
> >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Onnis <st...@cfcentral.com.au>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> I see it all the time. Lots of recruitment agencies see CF as a legacy or
> >>> redundant development platform and I guess that is a result of demand and
> >>> corporate retention of the platform.  I really think Adobe needs to do
> >>> something about it. They need to advertise and get out there promoting
> >>> the
> >>> platform otherwise it will end up the way of the dodo.  They need to be
> >>> out
> >>> there so we start seeing "Migrating from .NET to Coldfusion" ads!
>
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