> I dont think its the idea of generating print quality documents, its just
> the way people go about it. People seem to want to be able just
> to have this
> magic webpage-to-pdf-o-matic (HTML2PDF does a good job, but its
> not perfect)
> , would you expect the same if you are delivering content to
> mobile devices
> ? No, of course not. Its a different format and has different requirements
> in terms of user experience, just as a paper document does.
I guess there are three main aspects:
- A way to offer "print friendly versions" of web pages.
- A high quality print format.
- A portable document format that displays consistently across platforms.

PDF is not the answer if you just want a print friendly version. You are
much better off looking at print style sheet. You wont get 110% consistency,
but I don't think that's usually essential.

If you are looking at "brouchure quality" printing, HTML & CSS are not going
to cut it. PDF & PostScript are hard to generate dynamically. SVG & FO are
not well supported. This is the gap that I'm concerned about.

As far as being a portable document format, with controls on editing, etc...
PDF is perfect.


> Whats the point of printing out you web page as a pdf with
> hyperlinks on it
> ? You cant go to those links becuase in print you cant even see where they
> are going to.
True.


> IMHO its about how you architect your site. PDF needs to be treated just
> like any other format like SVG, WAP etc etc...via XML.
I agree completely, but the only way I know of going XML -> PDF is FO and
for that you have to go via SVG or FO to get to the PDF stage. Some other
PDF generation methods deal with PostScript which is a nightmare. Other take
HTML -> PS -> PDF which is IMHO completely pointless, if you can do the
layout in HTML stick with it.


> The best example ive
> seen so far of achieving this is the apache cocoon project.
> http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/ treat your data as data and worry about how
> you are going to present the data at the last stage.
Apache really are doing some excellent things in a range of areas. Things
like Cocoon, Ant and Forrest are pretty innovative.


> PDF and PostScript arent for deranged lunatics, they are for printers as
> HTML is for browsers. Horses for courses!
I completely disagree with that. HTML is in the public domain, its a W3C
standard, so are SVG & FO. PDF & PostScript are both owned by Adobe. This is
not a moral issue but a practical one & there are two main problems with it:
- The (lack of) development of these technologies is in the hands a very
small number of people within a single company (Adobe).
- Adobe's competitors are very hesitant to touch these technologies, let
alone try and support them properly.




Cheers

Mark


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Mark Stanton
Technical Director
Gruden Pty Ltd
Tel: 9956 6388
Mob: 0410 458 201
Fax: 9956 8433
http://www.gruden.com


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