> I realize you been pointing to SSL in all your posts, and its
> great, yes SSL will do the trick - do you have a SSL certificate
> on your site(s)?
>
> Most likely not, why?

https://www.gruden.com


> Because they cost money - a lot of money, they are a pain to get
> in the first place and I'm sure not everyone can get one.

Sure you can - Thawte currently have them for $US 200 for a year. However I
am pretty sure that you can generate your own certificates for free & use
those. The only difference in theory is that you don't have BigTrustedCo
saying "yes - we've double checked & this is Taco Fleur". The difference in
practice is that users are asked whether they trust you (via a dialogue box)
rather than just accepting the cert seamlessly. (Vik? Someone? Help me out
here!).


> So we are left with doing without SSL, so does that mean, if we
> can't get SSL we should leave our systems open to attacks?
> Where is the wheel for sites that can't get or afford SSL? Has
> that one been invented yet, if so where is it?

Seriously mate you could go work at McDonalds for a month or so & buy a
certificate. It would be a much more effective use of your time in terms of
providing "security" than trying to create your own method. Again no offence
intended, that is my honest opinion.

Go to get back to work now - maybe chat again later.


Cheers

Mark


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Mark Stanton
Technical Director
Gruden Pty Ltd
Tel: 9956 6388
Mob: 0410 458 201
Fax: 9956 8433
http://www.gruden.com


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