Thanks for the feedback there Dave.

Upon further reading there is a Struts project in it's inception phase that will be based on JSF called Shale. This would seem to offer the advantages of a strong framework whilst opening up a whole new world of component / tool support.

For now, I think I'll stick to playing around and focus my efforts on learning MG

Pete (aka lad4bear)

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From: "David Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Anyone Used Java Server Faces?
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:16 -0400

I've experienced both the good and the bad sides of JSF. I'll openly
admit there are parts I don't know a lot about... such as the navigation
rules. I do know that Sun's RI is buggy and MyFaces is regarded as a
better implementation.

It's difficult to compare to CF, as JSF is really a framework whereas CF
is a language. I've never built a JSF tag, but in speaking to those that
have I know it is not trivial.

JSF has a steep learning curve, even for seasoned java-heads. The thing
I find difficult is forgetting about the whole request/response
paradigm... you can assign an action or event to a button or link and
JSF hides most everything between the click and your backing bean's
method actually being called. I have a JSF tool that fails randomly
(this is on Sun's JSF) somewhere between the user clicking "submit" and
my method being called. It's like Mach-ii's WSOD, however in this case
I've found it very difficult to debug the app... I've heard horror
stories of crazy harnesses being built for the sole purpose of debugging
JSF itself.

So I'd say that while JSF is an extremely powerful framework for
rendering views, it's not for the weak stomached or those looking for an
easy way to get into Java.

-Dave Ross


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/05 9:56 AM >>>
Hi guys,

I've just started investigating Java Server Faces and was wondering how
it
compares to using ColdFusion. Does anyone have experience of using it
and if
so, erm ... how was it for you?

Cheers, Pete (aka lad4bear)

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