It does sound very much like asp.net doesn't it. That's not a bad thing
though and hopefully it will lead to stronger tool support. From the peek I
took, JSF looks to be a little better thought out with strong MVC support.
In asp.net I'd have to resort to using the User Interface Process
Application Block <shudder> to get anything comparable to MG / Mach-ii. It's
a shame because some of the new Application blocks (Data-Access / Caching et
al) are crackin.
Pete (aka lad4bear)
----Original Message Follows----
From: Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Anyone Used Java Server Faces?
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:15:30 +1000
>> The thing
I find difficult is forgetting about the whole request/response
paradigm... you can assign an action or event to a button or link and
JSF hides most everything between the click and your backing bean's
method actually being called.
that sounds like how ASP.NET works - smoke and mirrors hiding the
form/url submit, javascript, etc.
>> So I'd say that while JSF is an extremely powerful framework for
rendering views,
are forms also views?
just curious
barry.b
On 7/25/05, Peter H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback there Dave.
>
> Upon further reading there is a Struts project in it's inception phase
that
> will be based on JSF called Shale. This would seem to offer the
advantages
> of a strong framework whilst opening up a whole new world of component /
> tool support.
>
> For now, I think I'll stick to playing around and focus my efforts on
> learning MG
>
> Pete (aka lad4bear)
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "David Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Anyone Used Java Server Faces?
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:16 -0400
>
> I've experienced both the good and the bad sides of JSF. I'll openly
> admit there are parts I don't know a lot about... such as the navigation
> rules. I do know that Sun's RI is buggy and MyFaces is regarded as a
> better implementation.
>
> It's difficult to compare to CF, as JSF is really a framework whereas CF
> is a language. I've never built a JSF tag, but in speaking to those that
> have I know it is not trivial.
>
> JSF has a steep learning curve, even for seasoned java-heads. The thing
> I find difficult is forgetting about the whole request/response
> paradigm... you can assign an action or event to a button or link and
> JSF hides most everything between the click and your backing bean's
> method actually being called. I have a JSF tool that fails randomly
> (this is on Sun's JSF) somewhere between the user clicking "submit" and
> my method being called. It's like Mach-ii's WSOD, however in this case
> I've found it very difficult to debug the app... I've heard horror
> stories of crazy harnesses being built for the sole purpose of debugging
> JSF itself.
>
> So I'd say that while JSF is an extremely powerful framework for
> rendering views, it's not for the weak stomached or those looking for an
> easy way to get into Java.
>
> -Dave Ross
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/05 9:56 AM >>>
> Hi guys,
>
> I've just started investigating Java Server Faces and was wondering how
> it
> compares to using ColdFusion. Does anyone have experience of using it
> and if
> so, erm ... how was it for you?
>
> Cheers, Pete (aka lad4bear)
>
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