Sorry... my point was that is the view of someone who isn't on the inside.
The point is that the other party was chiding anyone who doesn't use his
approach is doing bad things. While I agree that the solution he offered is
in fact one that I agree with... as I stated. It was the view of an
employee. It was also in conflict with his own company's history. I think
you are right and my tone was "too loud" as your post was agreeably to
strong. We all do this occasionally if we are creative and passionate.

I will say that the party in question has certainly a good deal of
creativity and passion. He gets full credit on my account for that. But he
does need to realize that as an employee he doesn't see what a business
owner sees who is not a programmer. What we see from our seat is truth...
but it isn't the whole truth. Truth doesn't start and stop in the IT
department does it?

John Farrar
(Is that better?)

P.S.
The party in question has a tag line at the bottom of his email often that
states "If your not annoying someone your not accomplishing anything." It
was not my goal to fulfill the quote... I was trying to explain that we as
developers need to be a little more tolerant of business people who are not
IT people. Not all our decisions are best for the business even if an
individual one may be.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Chris Scott
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Factory Pattern


John, this is the second time in the past 2 weeks I've read a  
response like this from you. I can accept the response you gave me  
for trying to clarify a bit about good/bad programming conventions,  
because I did come on strong, but why are you again directly  
attacking someone for involvement in these discussions? There are  
many bright people who read this list and are trying to have  
intelligent discourse here. If this list is an uncomfortable place  
for those people to offer responses to questions, they wont. So you  
will effectively drive away any intelligent input and you can go on  
an on arguing about these issues with no hope of getting anywhere.

On Nov 7, 2005, at 8:56 AM, John Farrar wrote:




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