I am much amused that we are now well into "virtual keyboards" --- able to display anything at all on the "keys" --- yet still QWERTY reigns supreme. One day the adsurdity of this will be too much for even traditionalist to endure.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Björn Helgason <[email protected]> wrote: > APL chars are ok if you have the correct equipment etc. > > Unicode is supposed to solve that issue - who knows when. > > I have had countless problems with the APL chars in the past. > > There is no real need for them as far as I can tell. > > APL is having a lot of issues with the chars. > > National chars in general are having all kinds of problems - some may be > fixed in the future with unicode. > > You are free to use unicode in J if you want so you can use APL chars if > you want. > > You could write a translater to convert J scripts to/from APL - or whatever > unicode you want. > > I doubt anyone would pay you for it. > > Some people might test it but I would not expect anyone to use it. > > > - > Björn Helgason > gsm:6985532 > skype:gosiminn > On 24.2.2014 19:38, "Raul Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > APL characters are really nice to read, for people that are familiar > > with them. You get a real division symbol for division (not just the > > visual pun of %). You get a left pointing arrow for assignment (which > > avoids all sorts of bugs and misconceptions centered around using = > > for associating names and values). > > > > But there's no standard for *typing* APL characters. So now you have a > > steeper learning curve for getting people started. > > > > Also, you run into issues like this: > > http://forums.dyalog.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=619 > > > > Anyways, if you want APL characters, there are already really good APL > > implementations out there, with professional support, and the desire > > and funding to support the hacks and workarounds and education that > > are needed for APL character support. Why not use them? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Raul > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM, PMA <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'd love to hear -- putting aside implementation issues, people's > > aversion > > > to the unfamiliar, and what is or isn't ugly -- how the list members > > would > > > expect adoption of APL chars to impact (enhance/ruin/...) J. > > > > > > > > > Roger Hui wrote: > > >> > > >> I love the APL chars as much as the next guy. Some people would argue > > >> that > > >> APL chars are no longer a problem, but recent experience with my > Samsung > > >> tablet indicates otherwise. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Raul Miller<[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Maybe I should be doing this in a different forum? It's hard to > > >>> anticipate if or where conversation will go. > > >>> > > >>> Anyways, http://www.johndcook.com/symbols/2014/02/apl/ reminded me > to > > >>> think about the tradeoffs involved in J's design: > > >>> > > >>> thru=: [ + 1 i.@+ -~ > > >>> 10 thru 20 > > >>> 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 > > >>> u: 16b2336 thru 16b237a > > >>> ⌶⌷⌸⌹⌺⌻⌼⌽⌾⌿⍀⍁⍂⍃⍄⍅⍆⍇⍈⍉⍊⍋⍌⍍⍎⍏⍐⍑⍒⍓⍔⍕⍖⍗⍘⍙⍚⍛⍜⍝⍞⍟⍠⍡⍢⍣⍤⍥⍦⍧⍨⍩⍪⍫⍬⍭⍮⍯⍰⍱⍲⍳⍴⍵⍶⍷⍸⍹⍺ > > >>> > > >>> ASCII is horribly ugly, the world still has not caught up to APL's > > >>> character set. > > >>> > > >>> Sometimes, retro is the right choice. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Raul > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- John D. Baker [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
