I'm locked into Chrome, Gmail, and Google Drive which save my address list, 
personal email, and documents.  I carefully avoid Google Plus and have removed 
myself from Facebook.  I avoid Microsoft products.  You will notice I have a 
separate "business email" address and provider which I use for the forum.  
--Kip Murray

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> On Apr 17, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Tracy Harms <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It is. You're bringing to my attention things I haven't included in my
> overview.
> 
> A friend of mine who's been in the programming field for decades in the SF
> penninsula told me a few years ago that all the bright people he knew at
> Google had left because it had ceased to be the kind of place that it had
> been.
>> On Apr 17, 2014 8:56 AM, "Raul Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I have been trying to understand google. I use their free email
>> software and their browser and in the past I have used their ad
>> services (when I was working for usatoday), and their search
>> offerings.
>> 
>> I've stopped working in the ad business, at least temporarily, because
>> I've stopped working for usatoday. I've stopped using their search
>> offerings because I did not like a variety of the recent changes to it
>> (though I miss image search and sometimes return for that, I mostly
>> use duckduckgo now).
>> 
>> Recently, I've started to see a variety of regressions on their
>> browser which are encouraging me to abandon it. APL Font support, for
>> example, does not work properly on current Chrome. There are other
>> issues, but my overall impression is that there are people within
>> google who are actively trying to make the company fail.
>> 
>> What's interesting is that this corresponds to public statements
>> reflecting the unhappiness of some people there with the decisions of
>> managers which they have hired. A perhaps related issue is how
>> traditional the company looks when you look at its job offerings and
>> how deeply that conflicts with the reputation cultivated by its
>> announcements and press releases.
>> 
>> I am still mulling this over.
>> 
>> But, for now, I'm just noting that more and more I'm being driven away
>> from google offerings and towards other offerings. It's...
>> interesting.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --
>> Raul
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