Arrrgh, I did it again, sorry. I'll figure out this mail thingy eventually.
--- Matthew Findley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you honestly belive that you could convince a > jury that the government put > KP on freenet just to entrap you.... thats pretty > sad. > See in the courts you need a little thing called > evidence. Good luck finding > some that shows the government is out to discredit > freenet. I believe a good lawyer could convince a jury that this is the case. Whether it's sad or not is a personal opinion, but it is definitely a comment on society. You should see, that in the courts there is a little thing called reasonable doubt, and it's the prosecutor who needs the evidence. If you don't understand that the burden of proof is on the prosecution then I would say you don't need to go back to law school, you need to go back to grade school. > > And how would you purpose I track someone down on > the web that doesn't want to > be found? What extra anonymity does freenet give > you that the web can't also > offer? Coercion. And it can be as simple as a $20 bill handed to an underpaid sysadmin. Not to mention that the US government has formidable internet surveillance techniques, and to legally use them all they need is a warrant. Hell, they could even get a secret warrant to conduct their secret surveillance. > > pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Oops, silly me, I didn't reply to the list :) > > > > --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Whether or not you truly believe there is no > illegal > > > material on freenet is a question for the jury. > > > Given the fact that there are numerous warnings > > > about it, a huge number of frost boards are > dedicate > > > to KP, and all the main search pages have many > > > listings for warz and KP; a jury probably would > find > > > it laughable. > > Are UFOs laughable? Angels? Men in Black? > Ghosts? > > Government conspiracies? Need I go on? My belief > in > > this matter is not only not laughable, it very > likely > > true. I doubt people would have trouble believing > > that various governments around the world would > break > > the law to discredit Freenet. After all the have > the > > means, motive and opportunity not to mention > plausible > > deniablility :) > > > > > People do have the right to communicate with out > > > government oversight everywhere, including the > > > internet. > > > If all you do is communicate legal information > > > anonymously then there is an alternative, its > called > > > the world wide web. > > THE WEB IS NOT ANONYMOUS. Seriously. If you > don't > > undertand that then you are either ignorant or a > > troll. I'm beginning to think it's the latter. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:37 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [freenet-chat] RE: anonymity(NOT) > > > Importance: Low > > > > > > > > > I have doubts that illegal material is posted on > > > Freenet. After all, I haven't seen any illegal > > > material, I've only heard rumors about it. > However, > > > if there is illegal material on Freenet it's my > > > belief > > > that this material is posted by > > > governments/organizations hostile to the goals > of > > > Freenet and not retrieved by the legitimate > users in > > > the Freenet community. Even if the material is > > > retrieved by someone I am sure it is by these > same > > > hostile governments/organizations in order to > spread > > > FUD about Freenet. Are my beliefs unreasonable? > I > > > don't know, a lot of people believe in UFOs, > crop > > > circles, invisible beings dressed in white with > > > wings > > > that help people, mysterious men in black, > secret > > > government conspiracies, etc. In this context > my > > > beliefs seem to reasonable to me. To suppose > that > > > an > > > accused's state of mind isn't a defense is > > > laughable. > > > It's also ridiculous to argue that people have > the > > > right to communicate without government > oversight, > > > except on the internet. Let me say that I only > use > > > Freenet to communicate, anonymously, legal > > > information > > > and because there are no better alternatives. > > > Unless > > > your position is the government has the right to > > > monitor ALL communication. I don't find that > > > position > > > funny at all but downright scary instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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