thank you Dan the plan was to learn J, not spend all this time trying to install it onto my little devices
it installed ever so sweetly onto windows microsoft Ron in Sydney, Australia very kindly helped me install it onto Mac , I would have never found the trick on my own. thanks Yes, there is stuff I had to learn on my own, like the Meade telescope GPS operation. Oleg's help in colour did not work ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
