I agree with you. And it is necessary that there are standards to make it
easier for people to read each other's work.

As far a programs being text. That is true, but for Android and other
device's Apps, there are graphic editors where the developer never has to
see the actual text code, which may be in XML or JAVA format. The developer
may never have to look at the XML of JAVA unless he is having a particularly
sticky problem. Of course, the developer could work at the JAVA level if he
so desires, particularly for significant calculations.The XML may be
translated into JAVA or HTML. For performance the XML and JAVA may actually
be converted into machine executable.

What I'm trying to say is that we are seeing some new type of editors for
program development that are not text oriented.



On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Video screens have removed those restrictions but restrict the
> > total area of display. We need really big screens. Entry for J is
> > still stuck with a keyboard which makes it difficult to use the
> > added flexibility of the screen. Tools like auto completion which
> > help in other programming languages are of little use in J
> > as it is so terse.
>
> I see things differently from you.
>
> 1)  Programs are text, from my point of view.  This has important
> implications for exchanging them with other people.
>
> 2) The biggest restrictions I see on entering code as text happen in
> phones -- there, the keyboards can be tedious to use and the display
> is small.  (That said, we do not have implementations of J for a lot
> of those phones -- though now that the source code is licensed for our
> use it might be reasonable to think about porting it into java
> (Android) or objective C (iPhone).)
>
> --
> Raul
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