John:
First, I think the application guide lists the 52558 (5 inch 50 series)
muffler on that line. Second, the kit diagram for the 17119 shows the 52533
(5 inch series 30) muffler. Third, if you look at the product page for the
series 30 muffler, it has a sound sample from a '65 Elky, kit #17119. It's
confusing because the application guide recommends the series 50 (the black
highlight). I assumed I needed to buy the 17107 kit (no mufflers) with the
series 50 mufflers, but that's a lot more $ than the 17119 kit.
Tom Tomlinson
'71 Malibu
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Hi Dale,
How are you finding which muffler comes with which kit? I checked out the
links you posted, but I'm still wondering how you found them. When I cruise
around their site, I don't see where the info is listed.
I am looking at the Chevy application chart, and the 2 kits are listed on
the same line. The 52456 (5-inch 50 series) is highlighted by a black block
with white type, so I was assuming that this means that these are the
mufflers that come with both kits. Also, I have been checking other catalogs
and have seen the 17119 listed saying that it comes with 50 series mufflers.
Also, in my phone calls with them, I do believe they said that both kits
come with 50 series mufflers. I'll have to check it out tomorrow because
they are closed for the day.
John Nasta
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The wheelbase (for 1967's anyway) is 115" for all models. I think it's
the 68 and up that the wagon/Elky is 4" longer (116" vs. 112") so for a
pre-68 Elky or wagon, would you need the longer 17120 kit? Since the
kits are really ~universal~ GM A-body from 64-72, it would behoove the
buyer to be aware of the wheel base of their car <g> before ordering to
ensure they get a kit that will fit.
The mufflers are not even the same - at least according to the
FlowMaster website. The muffler numbers were taken straight off their
website. I went to What's New and did a search on the two kits. The
17119 kit shows all the parts at
http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868eda897
63744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=319&highlight=17119
The 17120 kit shows all its parts at
http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/web10/openrd/showthread.php?s=3a1868ed
a89763744ed542d02d49ba76&threadid=318&highlight=17120 clearly showing
different mufflers.
Let's see...the $30 less expensive kit ($299 vs. $329) has $60 more in
muffler costs ($109x2=$218 vs. $80x2=$160) so the longer (albeit
different) pipes and the stainless steel tips (which may be correct for
68 and up ?) cars costs $88 more in the long run? The $30 difference
would make more sense if both kits had the same mufflers, but again,
according to their website, they don't have the same mufflers. Am I
missing something here or have the parts included in the kits been
changed and the website (plus their .PDF catalog file) does not reflect
what is really included?
Dale
> My first thought was the different mufflers made the difference in
> price. Not so. The 52533 mufflers in the less expensive kit ($299)
are
> almost $30 more EACH (Summit price $109 for the muffler) than the
52558
> mufflers in the more expensive ($329) kit (Summit price of $80 for the
> muffler). For $299 you get mufflers costing $218 and for $329 you get
> mufflers costing $160. Strange (???).
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:37 PM
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>
> Very interesting. One thing I do know is that the El Camino / Wagon
frame
> has a 4" longer wheelbase. So, the 17119 would be too short for an El
> Camino, and the part that is meant to go over the rear axle wouldn't
> clear.
> The 17120 kit can be made to fit the 2dr Chevelle / Malibu by cutting
4"
> off
> of the H-pipe.
>
> The H-pipes are different because they are different lengths. The
> tailpipes
> are different because one is made to exit the side and the other the
rear.
> The 11720 tailpipes also come with stainless steel tips already welded
on.
> Therefore the only thing that the 11719 and 11720 have in common is
the 50
> series mufflers.
>
> John Nasta
>
>
>
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