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I can't claim to know anything about showing, as I don't show. I just knew
they could potentially make a lot of money so I can understand why they would be
willing to invest more money in a top of the line chi. But for us normal folks,
I just don't uddy why breeders feel the right to charge so much.
Marsha
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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:35
PM
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding
weight for Chis?
I was never aware that show winners won big bucks, and those
trophies are only gold or silver plated...
Showing a dog costs thousands of
dollars above and beyond the normal cost of keeping a dog..
There's a
professional trainer and sometimes a handler.
Training for show takes weeks..... Shipping costs and sometimes boarding
costs. Then the cost for the humans who have to go along, logings and
food, plus high dollar salary.......... Vet
bills, and to get to a champion level, this process has to be
repeated many times. Not a poor mans
hobby.......... I've known international grand
champion owners and they were always in the red.
marsha
wrote:
Some people do make money from it. I mean there is no way that it is
necessary to charge a couple of thousand dollars for any dog. But once some
breeders see they have a pup that is going to be really small or have really
neat colors, they suddenly up the price. I am sorry, but I just don't
understand that! I mean why is a cute little bridle 2 1/2 pounder worth so
much more than the 6 pound brown??? To me, they are all worth a million
bucks, but I, like you, am happy to simply cover my out of pocket expenses.
Sometimes I do, and some times I loose a LOT. Of course, I can understand
the champion show line dogs being a bit more, after all the buyer will
possibly win a lot of money over the years from show winnings.
p.s. yours are adorable!
Marsha
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject:
Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis?
Hi Marsha , you seem like a smart woman and I like what you have to
say. I agree with you. I have been breeding since the
late 99 early 2000, but I started out with merles and they were
bigger dogs. I am now getting into some of the smaller dogs and even with
the experience I have I am treading lightly. I will wait on
HObb's 3 rd or 4th heat because she is small. I am also looking for the
right male for her.. I have gone back to the breeder that I got her from
and we have been talking genetic's so I get a male that comes from a small
genetic tree. Hobb's (my brindle) will weigh between 3 12 to 4 lbs when
grown. I will be very careful with her and if it doesn't feel right
then it isn't and I will wait till it does..
Also , my lil Margie is due to go into her second heat and she is 4
1/4 lb.. I might wait till her 3rd heat to breed her.. I have Petie who
weighs the same as her but I think she is young.. I will decide once she
goes into heat but if I had to decide today then I would wait one more
heat cycle.. My opinion..
P. S. Marsha, I just reread what you wrote.. If it wasn't for people
who care about standard of the chi, the health of the dog, and all around
well being then I worry what would happen to this breed... I don't
like mixing the lines, and for those that want a pure bred chi , a
good breeder is nice to have around; especially if they are doing it for
the love of the chi, not the $$$. Of course you need to
recover what you put into the dogs; plus time for poop pick up and
cleaning supplies, and such.. Loving the babies I figure is for free, but
if I recover the basic's then I am happy . Last night we had to buy dog
food. A 35 lb bag of Royal Canine puppy med 32 and a 3 lb bag of
Royal Canine Chihuahua 28 was 38.00 plus 13.00 and some canned food of
5.00. totalled me 56.00. This is what I feed for the month.. I have
two that have pups in the oven right now so they are a vit. suppliment and
then I make them a doggie corn bread treat... Plus I buy all kinds of
doggie chews and treats.. They have collars and chains ( I
walk them - weather permitting) and a whole laundry basket full of toys..
I can't get out of wal mart with out just that one toy.. Also
I buy blankets for them and doggie beds..This all adds up. but I don't
mind.. I love every minute of what I am doing.
I am explaining when someone doesn't understand when you ask $$ for
the pup. You really don't make that much after you look at all you put
into it. And if your mamma had delivery problems then you are in the red
and hope the next litter will help rebuild your credit card back up for
the next time.. So you have to love what you are doing.
marsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
This
would depend mostly on the sir being used! For instance, even if
you
have a 4 pound female and a sir that throws 6 pound puppies, you
are asking
for trouble. However, if you have a sir that throws really
small pups, you
can go with a lower weight. Breeders generally will
not breed a chi under 3
pounds, but even 3 pounds would not be smart
unless they are very
experienced and know alot about their sirs
background. I have a 2 1/2 pound
female that I am trying to get to 3
pound so I can breed with a sir that I
know throws small pups.
HOWEVER, I have over 10 years experience breeding
chis and am very
familiar with my sir. I would NOT recommend this for
someone who does
not know exactly what they are doing and does not have the
experience
and ability to step in should difficulties arise during delivery!
For
a new breeder, I would not recommend them starting out with a chi
less
than 4 or possibly 4 1/2 pounds.
And for the record, I am
not attempting to breed for the SIZE. Size is not
no where near as
important as the health of the pups. I am seeking to breed
Dinah
because she is so close to standards. She has all the
characteristics
I am looking for in a chi. This would be her 2nd
litter, but she had a
litter before I got her, so I don't know how
that went. She was, in my
opinion, to small to have been bred by the
previous owner! My plans is to
breed her to my small throwing sir,
keep the largest female that is up to
standards, to breed with my
more experienced male later on. The male I am
planning to use with
Dinah, will not be used with other females because he
does throw to
small....less chance of breedable pups. Any pups born that are
not
expected to reach at least 3 1/2 pounds, are sold on a spay/
neuter
contract only.
I am sure some of you non breeders may
find all of this offensive, but the
breeders will understand what I
am saying. Breeders must do stuff like this
so that non breeders can
have those perfect little chis they love so much.
Marsha
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Original Message -----
From: "Cornelia Malies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<[email protected]>
Sent:
Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Chihuahuas] Safe
breeding weight for Chis?
> A friend of mine and I had a
discussion. What would be a safe breeding
> weight for a female
Chi? I think you shouldnt breed under like 3 1/2
> to 4 pounds.But
thats just me i guess. Gimme your opinion please
>
Connie
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