If its not meant to be bashing, then why can't you all just let it go? Opinions are welcomed here and often are a good source for debate but shouldn't be used to be judgmental. Gloria P In a message dated 11/12/2008 7:20:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marsha, It's a shame that you think your "being bashed" all of us "non breeders" have simple questions, that want simple answers. We all have our own opinion of what is right and wrong. If breeding an over size dog's is not the AkC standard why is it done? It will produce oversize dog's. You admitted that yourself. There are a lot of "show" breeders that have questionable reputation. One of the Breeders from your list even mentioned they know breeders who will finish a dog before it reach 6lbs. Just so they can say they have their championship, but still breed them. Just how honest is that for the consumer? The likelihood of someone getting a puppy that will mature over the breed standard, then is high. I think the whole point to this topic, for us Non breeders is understanding why. Why breed if you don't do it to improve the standard. I think it goes back to the breeder, some will and some won't. Would those who do, seem unethical? Thanks for the engaging conversation! Amie --- On Thu, 11/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] breeding size. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 12:43 AM > well, since I seem to be getting a bit of bashing and since > most of it > seems to be comming from non breeders in the first place, I > thought I > would put the question to my fellow breeders. Below is a > cut and paste of > my question to them and their responses. I DID delete the > names of the > responders to protect their identity.... responders to protect > on my > reputation among you to know that I am honest and would not > fabricate the > responses. The only thing I am trying to show here is that, > known or not, > it is a common practice to breed females that are larger, > and it is done > for safety reasons. That does not mean we are not breeding > to standards, > because the pups produced are to standards, > > Many of the people who have respionded here are very well > known chhuahua > breeders, and very well known in the show ring as well. > Some of them may > be smaller time breeders, but many of them are among the > most well known > and respected breeders in the country....and many of them > are show people > with champion chihuahuas.. with champion chihuahuas > among breeders > that should not have been disclosed, lol....but truth is, > it is what it > is..... > > Marsha > > ok, quick question.... ok, quick question....<WBR>h > 6 pounds? I made a > comment on another group about the fact that breeders often > use females > over 6 pounds but produce pups under 6 pounds....I am > getting a lot of > bashing for that.....so I am wondering, how many of you > actually use over > 6 pound females for breeding? > Marsha > > I do and prefer it. I only have 1 under 6lbs and have not > decided if I'll > chance it. > > I have a few girls over 6 lbs and they are my best moms > when it comes to > delivery. > > Mine are 4-6.5 pounds.. my male is 3.5 pounds.. > > I have several that are 6-8 lbs,MOst have thrown me pups in > the3-6 lb range > > Not on this group you will not 90% of my girls or 6-8 lbs. > I all ways sell > smaller and keep the bigger. They will produce same size > and quality pups. > And bigger girls less problems whelping, more milk and more > pups. Studs I of > course keep the smaller as males or easy to come by even > top quality if a > fault that keep them from show ring. > > We have couple over 6 lbs and so far all have been under > six from breeding > them except one. > > MANY MANY MANY show breeders use female over 6 pounds .. > they just don't > talk about it ............ talk abo talk abo talk about it . > you a list of > Well known Chihuahua breeders with many champion that have > girls over 6 > pounds and finished champions over 6 pounds ... they do > their darndest to > finish them before the get to large ......AS long as the > females are of > good type and sound .. there is no reason not to breed a > bigger girl > ............ ............<WBR>But its always best to > male you can find > .... > > I prefer the girl to be bigger too for safety reasons. > > I have some females that are over six pounds. They throw > big and small in > the same litter. > > well to me that is to big i dont like a female over 5 lbs > that has always > been my preference and i wont breed anything under 3.5 > pounds i will > probably get bashed for this but my girl is a deer > chihuahua and she has > not needed a c-section and has delivered one and also 3 > babies i have a > 3.5 and a 4.8 pounds girl and a 3 lbs male > > > I think to each their own in this area. If your going for > the > AKC standards though they have the weight set from 2-6lbs I > believe. > So again, to each their own, as I do pet only and maybe one > day show. > Its all up to GOD. They are all beautiful and gorgeous and > precious in my > eyes. > > We have 2 over 6 lbs, but I generally prefer them to be > bigger anyway. I > feel better breeding the bigger girls but I do know that > they can have > problems also, just more comfortable with the bigger girls. > With the > proper male (background and all for size) you can get some > really awesome > pups. I genuinely believe some breeders have them over 6 > lbs but won't > admit it for some reason (I guess embarrassed that they > aren't within the > AKC standards). > > I do all the time. I like the 6 to 7 lb size because they > have less > trouble on a whole when it comes to whelping. Yes there are > some pups in > the litter smaller and some big. I tell people I don't > know if the smaller > ones will free whelp. I also usually have big litters and I > don't want to > risk the uterus bursting because I keep a smaller one. > > Marsha, > Most of my girls are larger than 6 pounds. I try to always > breed my girls > larger. I am however downsizing on them a little bit. I > have that I get an > array of puppies in small sizes to large. I have also been > very lucky to > have had only one c section. > > Dixie runs about 6 ½ to 6 ¾ but a lot of that is due to > muscle as I was > running her in rally and agility. But then I like my > Chi’s to be at least > 5 pounds. Just my preference. > I have heard of a lot of different folks using bigger > females. I have also > heard them get grief about it from some show folks. I think > it’s one of > those things that are done but not talked about, and some > who do it will > not admit to it. > > i do use some who are over and i agree with you. but i have > learned never > to tell people that. i have been bashed more times than i > can count for > things like this. i agree that it is safer to use them but > others consider > it unethical breeding and say you are breeding out of > standard. > > > > > > > > This email contains correspondence from an attorney and may > contain > privileged information. 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