You didn't mention whether or not Cesar already had his shots for parvo, or whether he also became sick. If he is still okay by now then I doubt that he has parvo and can only assume that he was previously inoculated before the other puppy died. That would make him safe to adopt, as well as any others that have not gotten sick by now. Also you mentioned that it was a puppy that died and not an adult dog. The puppy probably was to young to have been given all the shots in time to save it.
Have you inquired recently how Cesar is doing? The fact that you were able to drive down there to get him, means that you were also pre-approved to adopt him by the rescue? I missed seeing his picture, and if you saved it, could you please post it? If I remember the dates right, either today or tomorrow is the last day for any of them. I honestly feel that you don't have anything to worry about since your dogs are already immune to the virus. I would also call another Vet for an opinion. Neither of my malteses gave the virus back and forth to each other nor did they infect any other dog during their entire lives. If you do take Cesar, maybe wearing and old shirt that you can discard and disposable plastic gloves, and carry him straight into the bathtub for a good bath which I am sure he will need anyway, may help to alleviate any fears of him having the virus on his fur. Assuming that he is okay to begin with, you won t have to worry about him shedding it in his poop. Discard any collar or leash that he came with before bringing him inside and all should well. In the meantime, here is an article and a link on how the virus works. http://vetmedicine.about com/od/dogdiseasesconditions/f/Canine-Parvovirus-Cpv-Transmission-Can-My-Dogs Spread-Parvo-To-Another-Dog.htm Question: Parvo Transmission: Can my vaccinated dogs spread parvo to another dog? A viewer asks this question about Parvo in dogs "I recently traveled with my two dogs that are vaccinated. I stayed with a friend who had a ten-month old dog that was not vaccinated. After we were there for two days, her dog got sick and died from Parvo. Could my dogs carry the virus from stopovers at roadside rest areas and given it to her dog? This was a very sad situation and I need to know if it was because of my visit." Answer: Parvovirus Incubation and Transmission This is a sad situation and there is no definite way to "prove" how the unvaccinated dog became ill with parvo, but since he became ill so quickly after the visiting dogs arrival, it is unlikely that they were the source. On average, the incubation period for canine parvovirus (CPV) is 3-7 days. If the non-vaccinated dog became sick and died within 2 days of the visitor s arrival, it would be unlikely that the visiting dogs brought in the virus. Parvovirus is a hardy virus and is considered to be ubiquitous, meaning that it is potentially everywhere. An unvaccinated dog is at high risk for parvo and other diseases from many possible sources. Vaccination for this disease is the best prevention. Adult vaccinated dogs are well-protected against parvo. Their immune systems mount a response against any parvovirus they may come in contact with, preventing clinical illness. Parvovirus in the Environment Dogs infected with parvovirus shed millions of viral particles with each diarrhea bowel movement and may shed virus for 2-3 weeks post-exposure. Canine parvovirus survives in the environment and on surfaces. Disinfecting the environment of parvo is difficult, and this virus may last a few weeks, months, or even up to 2 years, if the conditions are favorable. Sunlight and low humidity (arid) conditions will inactivate the virus quicker than cool, moist, shady conditions. Water, via rain showers or a hose, will dilute the amount of infective viral particles, but not inactivate the virus. In addition to virus-laden fecal matter and environmental contamination, parvovirus can be transmitted via surfaces - hands, tools, bowls, shoes, other pets, clothing, etc. A dilute bleach solution (1 part bleach to 30 parts water) should be used on "cleanable" surfaces, good sanitation and hand-washing for non-bleachable surfaces. (Never use bleach on pets!) It is impossible to know for sure, but it is likely that the unvaccinated dog was exposed/incubating the virus prior to the traveling dogs arrival. The fact that the visiting dogs are adults and vaccinated helped protect them from contracting the parvovirus during their stay. Another link: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/revb/respiratory/parvo_b19 htm Link to see the dogs: http://ozarkhavenrelocationprogram.weebly com/missouri-puppy-mill-survivors.html -------Original Message------- From: Tee Date: 11/16/2011 7:24:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Update on 100 chis MO/PM closing Hi Gloria! Yes, I was supposed to get Cesar. He was supposed to get on a transport but mill owners left him behind the day he was to be transported. Every weekend I have been ready to drive down there to get him as I am coming from Springfield, Il and he is in Missouri. Then the news came about the puppy dying in transport. I cried off and on all day as I had been looking forward to having him join our little pack. I wish I knew what to do in this situation. I don't want to bring harm to those at home and occasionally I bring homeless dogs in to vet them and find them homes. I also plan on having another dachshund puppy live with us someday.....down the road... maybe in a couple years. I fell in love with Cesar on sight. I am good with mill dogs and knew I could help him recover. I have one mill dachshund with us now and he will be with us until his time comes to pass. He is a wonderful little guy and has made huge progress, although it has been a very slow transformation. I can't help thinking of little Cesar stuck in the puppy mill. He should have been home a month ago :( Had he met transport he would have already been here and he would have been out of harms way. And I wouldn't have known about the parvo. Knowing this now, I feel (based on vets opinion) I would be irresponsible exposing my (now) 4 at home. Not to mention the fact parvo can stay in the earth for many years after it has been contaminated. What would you do? --- In [email protected], twopenns@... wrote: > > > Did someone on this list adopt one of these puppies. There was a male named Cesar that I thought was precious and I no longer see his photo. I hope he found a wonderful forever home. > > Gloria > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peggy & The Girls <phrpg5@...> > To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 3:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Update on 100 chis MO/PM closing > > Hi Tee! > > First, I want to say thank you sooo much for even considering to adopt one of these babies. The final decision is really up to you. I will tell you of my experience > with two maltese mill puppies that I rescued many years ago. It was when parvo first came out, and the vaccine that they had for it was new on the market and they really didn't have much time to test the vaccine, since the outbreak was so widespread and hundreds of pups and dogs were dying across the states. > > At that time I wasn't aware of what a PM is really like and had started my first pet shop job. It was also the first time that this pet shop had ordered puppies. We received 12 different breeds. Within the first couple of days the pups started to look very sick and one by one would die overnight when the store had closed. The owners were waiting for a reply from the so called breeder as to what to do with the sick puppies. Parvo can be extremely quick in killing a pup, before you really see all the symptoms, while others can languish on for a couple of weeks. The store owners refused to take them to a vet unless they were guaranteed that the breeder would reimburse them and the breeder (PM) wouldn't reimburse the store for the dead puppies unless the store shipped them back at their own expense. So while they were arguing back and forth within the first two weeks out of the 12 dogs, 2 got sold and I had no idea what their out come was ,and 8 pups died and two were left, a bischon and a maltese. The maltese didn't act sick and would follow me around the store an even sleep under the front counter. So I was falling in love with him, and wanted to get him out of there. Another week went by and he started to show symptoms of being sick as did the bichon. > > I asked to buy him and after 3 days of waiting for them to make a decision they finally said I could buy him. I had wanted to take him to a vet as soon as he started looking sick but the owners wouldn't hear of it. So once I paid for him, I took him directly to the Vet. They did give me a record of his shots and it seems that the PMs were so paranoid of Parvo that they were giving the dogs and pups Parvo shots every week, plus combining the live and killed virus vaccines. They were in fact actually giving these dogs Parvo with all of these injections!! That is what the Vet had told me and why they were dying. They didn't know too much at that time as to how to control Parvo and the shots were an experiment. No one knew, not even the Vets as to how much vaccine and how often a pup would need it, until all data had been accumulated and they could study it better. > > I named my puppy Fluffy, and the day that I took him home was also the last day that I worked for those people. He was very, very sick and just wasting away, just like the other pups did. The Vet said that there was no way that he would make it. To this day, I firmly believe that it was my constant around the clock care that made him pull through. I kept him in a little box with a heating pad under it, finger fed him him water, broth, baby jar food, gatorade, nutri-cal, and constantly let him know that he wasn t alone. The only thing that the Vet had given him on his initial visit was and antibiotic shot and said he doubted that it would do anything, but was also willing to try anything and everything. Fluffy pulled through his hell and lived to be 16 and 1/2 before I had to send him to the bridge with liver cancer. Even at that age and up until his last week, he never looked or acted like an old dog. He only needed his teeth cleaned once during his life time, still had good hearing, and good eye sight, never had arthritis or slowed down on his walk. But once his pain from the cancer became uncontrollable, I knew it was time to say good bye. > > 10 months later, after having bought Fluffy, I was working in another Pet Shop and although there new shipment of pups were all healthy, one wasn't. It was a very tiny female maltese. She was so lethargic and sick that the truck driver was going to put her in a plastic bag and attach it to the exhaust of his truck, rather then see her suffer the long drive back to MO. I paid the driver $75.00 for her and he called and told the breeders that she died on the way to the store. The store owner verified that to the PM so that the truck driver wouldn't get into any trouble. I took her to the Vet and they put her in the incubator. I stayed there all night with her until 3am and the Vet said that there was nothing more they could do and wanted to put her to sleep. The Vet felt that it was a combination of over shots of the Parvo vaccine and hypoglycemia and all her vitals were so low that she felt it was only hours before she would pass on anyway. > > Well, I am a fighter and I took her home and Fluffy and I took care of her I really think that Fluffy talked to her and let her know that she would be okay if she would just fight a little harder. Little Gidget lived to be over 14 years old before her bad heart took her to the bridge. I still miss them both very much to this day. > > Having said all of that, through the years, I have known many other pups and dogs who have survived the hell of Parvo and equally know of many that did not. My personal feeling is that as long as other dogs are vaccinated and are healthy, then they cannot get Parvo, so what is the big deal of adopting one? Even if a parvo-survived dog sheds the virus, as long as other dogs are vaccinated they still cannot get the virus. I can only see another vaccinated dog getting the virus if the parvo virus has changed its strain, much like the human flu does. So, I would ask the vet if their has been a change in the strain of the parvo virus and if so, are your dogs up todate with the new strain booster? If there hasn't been a change in the strain that seems to be going around, then why is your Vet so paranoid, if your dogs are up to date and can't get it anyway? Is the Vet society not telling the public something about what is really going on with this outbreak? > > You know, if you think about it ,we all take a chance every time we walk our dogs down the street and they sniff the ground, or we go to a dog park or a meet up. > As long as my dogs are immunized I am not going to get paranoid and worry about every parvo outbreak that I hear of. > > We all have to make our own decision which we are comfortable with. I do thank you for adopting your new baby and not buying one. Would love to see some pics of her and I apoligize for such a long post. Let us know what you decide on the PM baby. Believe me, if I were in a better position, I would have taken one of them myself, so many of them are sooo cute and deserve so much better then what they have been living in for years. Peggy & The Girls > -------Original Message------- > > > From: Tee > Date: 11/15/2011 11:51:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Update on 100 chis MO/PM closing > > > > I have been waiting for a chi from here and transport wasn't able to move him yet. In the mean time I found out during a transport, a chi puppy died from parvo. Apparently they have had an outbreak. I've waited over a month for him. My vets said NOT to get a dog that has been exposed to parvo as even tho this dog was not parvo positive, he still could carry and other dogs could get it from him. All my dogs (3) have had the parvo shots and boosters. But the vets said not to bring any dog from this mill into my home So dissapointed :( > > So Saturday, went to petsmart for dog food and treats. There was an adoption event and they had a 2 chis there. I brought one home and she is a little love. I have named her Mika ( meeka ). > > But I still think of this little chi I was supposed to adopt. I am asking for advice. Should I go against the vets recommendations and take him in anyway? Does anyone here have any experience with dogs that have been exposed to parvo? What would you do? > > Thanks all, > > Renee
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