Lol I've done it! Not easy though!!

Rebecca Bate

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lucky he is a 3 lb Chi and not a Dane.  Putting him on his back might be a 
> little more problematic lol
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> From: Rebecca bate <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude
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> I am a very strong handler, but I would have to agree with you.. Let him 
> heal, then deal with it.  You will nip it when it's time.  Hopefully he will 
> Start showing big improvements soon
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> Rebecca Bate
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> On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Yes it is possible to grab him without a towel.  He really doesn't want to 
>> bite me or he would have, as I leave my hand there and don't pull away.  I 
>> think he just feels like crapola and wants to be left alone.  Instead I am 
>> always having to futz with him shoving all these meds down his throat and 
>> giving him these baths.  I know it is for his own good, but all he is doing 
>> and wants to do is sleep right now and he doesn't understand..Poor guy. 
>> Right now he is getting two antibiotics, Benedryl, cough medicine, and nose 
>> drops..hell yeah he just wants to sleep..  He is drugged but it is the only 
>> way he can breathe and not hack himself to death. The weird thing is he 
>> submits for me squirting all this crap down his throat but just sometimes he 
>> growls or snaps.  No rhyme or reason..most of the time he is ok but 
>> sometimes he goes off.
>> I make hubby give him his meds at night too and he snapped at him when he 
>> tried to pick him up last night and when he went to pet him one time.  It is 
>> unfortunate that he has to be this ill and everything done to him all the 
>> time.  I would have backed off in a normal rescue and let him have the 
>> opportunity to trust us and come to us on his own terms at first.  
>> Unfortunately neither of us has had that luxury.
>> As for the other dogs, again I think his condition has impacted that too.  
>> When we first introduced everybody he was very , very submissive and tail 
>> waggy..to all of us actually.  As I said  he sleeps most of the time, but 
>> now if they approach where he sleeping,or laying, he will growl. If we are 
>> all relaxing on the couch, and he growls when one of the other dogs 
>> approach, I pick that dog or dogs up and integrate them into the couch 
>> scenario, petting them as normal.  He watches but does not growl.   When 
>> they are all walking around outside, it is fine. It is difficult to tell at 
>> this point if this is an alpha problem or a illness problem or both.  I will 
>> know more when he finally starts to perk up and his true personality shows 
>> through. It seems like he has been sick forever and it has only been a week 
>> lol..
>> So I will start with the new routine..no crate this time..and see how that 
>> progresses.  Thank you so much.  You have been so much help in all this.  I 
>> did not want to put this up for group debate as I knew we would get the "oh 
>> poor sick abused little baby"" scenario and while I feel this too, I know 
>> this needs to be dealt with.
>> 
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>> From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:56 PM
>> Subject: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude
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>> From: Peggy & The Girls
>> Date: 2/22/2012 8:29:32 PM
>> To: Pam Dean
>> Subject: Re: Tino's attitude
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>> Is it possible to grab him without the towel?  You must first take a deep 
>> breath and relax so that he feels calmness and control coming from you 
>> before you grab him. 
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>> When you do grab him, put him on his back on the floor or couch, but not on 
>> your lap, and just keep one hand on his chest, with your thumb and fingers 
>> open so your hand is under his throat, and the bottom of your hand is 
>> putting light pressure on his chest between his two front legs. Hold him 
>> down until he completely surrenders and is calm and relaxed. Don't say 
>> anything to him during that time, it's all body language coming from you, 
>> but once he has surrendered completely, wait another minute then release 
>> your hold and say good boy. Do not stare at him, because in a dogs mind when 
>> he is in that state of mind, staring means you are challenging him.  Do not 
>> put him in the crate, because that means he won the challenge. You must get 
>> him to completely surrender to submission while you are holding him down 
>> belly-up, just like an alpha dog would do to another dog in the pack. An 
>> alpha dog will only release the other dog when it completely surrenders and 
>> is totally relaxed, even then the pack dog won't move until the alpha has 
>> turned it's back on the dog and walked away.
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>> I also suggest that both of you give him his meds and bath, so that he 
>> learns not to side with just one of you, and his place in the pack is at the 
>> bottom. How is he doing with the other dogs? Does he challenge them that he 
>> wants to be alpha?
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>> From: Pam Dean
>> Date: 2/22/2012 4:41:16 PM
>> To: Peggy The Girls
>> Subject: Tino's attitude
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>> Ok, I have never rescued one with such physical needs, which require endless 
>> shoving things in his mouth at all hours and manhandling him to do it.  But 
>> he is getting increasing snappy and cranky, which is something I do not 
>> tolerate from any of my animals.  So I am at a crossroads here between being 
>> sensitive to what he is going through and being intolerant towards his 
>> behavior.
>> I need your opinion.  Obviously with his health issues I can't go into all 
>> out alpha training now..but it may be a while until I can do that and I just 
>> can't let him think he is winning here either.  He does snap but when I put 
>> my hand in his face to say "Go ahead take your best shot" he backs off but 
>> still will snap again if I reach for him.  What I have been doing is take 
>> his blanket and grab him up in it quickly and turn him over and make eye 
>> contact and say no firmly. Then put him into his crate.
>> Any other ideas on a plan of action for the time being??
>> 
>> Pam
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