I don’t like trainers like that. I’ve had several pitbulls, Borzois, Dobies, Boxers and many mixes. I’ve had times when the dogs did not want to do what I wanted them to do. I would give them something to do which they enjoyed and knew how to do. At another time I would try again whatever it was they did not want to do and they would go ahead and learn it. I used my brains instead of my brawn. A different time, a different way and I would get a different response.
I’m betting you will see a totally different dog when he is healthy, rested and knows he is home. Judy Moon I serve a risen Savior John 3:16 Adopt! Do not buy while animals die. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pam Dean Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude I watched a trainer trying to work with a Pitt puppy ..yeah now that was a sight. He fought that trainer tooth and nail not to submit. The trainer won but not without a gash on his forehead..yikes. _____ From: Rebecca bate <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude Lol I've done it! Not easy though!! Rebecca Bate Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote: Lucky he is a 3 lb Chi and not a Dane. Putting him on his back might be a little more problematic lol _____ From: Rebecca bate <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude I am a very strong handler, but I would have to agree with you.. Let him heal, then deal with it. You will nip it when it's time. Hopefully he will Start showing big improvements soon Rebecca Bate Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote: Yes it is possible to grab him without a towel. He really doesn't want to bite me or he would have, as I leave my hand there and don't pull away. I think he just feels like crapola and wants to be left alone. Instead I am always having to futz with him shoving all these meds down his throat and giving him these baths. I know it is for his own good, but all he is doing and wants to do is sleep right now and he doesn't understand..Poor guy. Right now he is getting two antibiotics, Benedryl, cough medicine, and nose drops..hell yeah he just wants to sleep.. He is drugged but it is the only way he can breathe and not hack himself to death. The weird thing is he submits for me squirting all this crap down his throat but just sometimes he growls or snaps. No rhyme or reason..most of the time he is ok but sometimes he goes off. I make hubby give him his meds at night too and he snapped at him when he tried to pick him up last night and when he went to pet him one time. It is unfortunate that he has to be this ill and everything done to him all the time. I would have backed off in a normal rescue and let him have the opportunity to trust us and come to us on his own terms at first. Unfortunately neither of us has had that luxury. As for the other dogs, again I think his condition has impacted that too. When we first introduced everybody he was very , very submissive and tail waggy..to all of us actually. As I said he sleeps most of the time, but now if they approach where he sleeping,or laying, he will growl. If we are all relaxing on the couch, and he growls when one of the other dogs approach, I pick that dog or dogs up and integrate them into the couch scenario, petting them as normal. He watches but does not growl. When they are all walking around outside, it is fine. It is difficult to tell at this point if this is an alpha problem or a illness problem or both. I will know more when he finally starts to perk up and his true personality shows through. It seems like he has been sick forever and it has only been a week lol.. So I will start with the new routine..no crate this time..and see how that progresses. Thank you so much. You have been so much help in all this. I did not want to put this up for group debate as I knew we would get the "oh poor sick abused little baby"" scenario and while I feel this too, I know this needs to be dealt with. _____ From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Re: Tino's attitude -------Original Message------- From: Peggy <mailto:[email protected]> & The Girls Date: 2/22/2012 8:29:32 PM To: Pam Dean <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tino's attitude <4-CANB~21.JPG> Is it possible to grab him without the towel? You must first take a deep breath and relax so that he feels calmness and control coming from you before you grab him. When you do grab him, put him on his back on the floor or couch, but not on your lap, and just keep one hand on his chest, with your thumb and fingers open so your hand is under his throat, and the bottom of your hand is putting light pressure on his chest between his two front legs. Hold him down until he completely surrenders and is calm and relaxed. Don't say anything to him during that time, it's all body language coming from you, but once he has surrendered completely, wait another minute then release your hold and say good boy. Do not stare at him, because in a dogs mind when he is in that state of mind, staring means you are challenging him. Do not put him in the crate, because that means he won the challenge. You must get him to completely surrender to submission while you are holding him down belly-up, just like an alpha dog would do to another dog in the pack. An alpha dog will only release the other dog when it completely surrenders and is totally relaxed, even then the pack dog won't move until the alpha has turned it's back on the dog and walked away. I also suggest that both of you give him his meds and bath, so that he learns not to side with just one of you, and his place in the pack is at the bottom. How is he doing with the other dogs? Does he challenge them that he wants to be alpha? <TAGCHI~22.GIF> -------Original Message------- From: Pam Dean <mailto:[email protected]> Date: 2/22/2012 4:41:16 PM To: Peggy The Girls <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Tino's attitude Ok, I have never rescued one with such physical needs, which require endless shoving things in his mouth at all hours and manhandling him to do it. But he is getting increasing snappy and cranky, which is something I do not tolerate from any of my animals. So I am at a crossroads here between being sensitive to what he is going through and being intolerant towards his behavior. I need your opinion. Obviously with his health issues I can't go into all out alpha training now..but it may be a while until I can do that and I just can't let him think he is winning here either. He does snap but when I put my hand in his face to say "Go ahead take your best shot" he backs off but still will snap again if I reach for him. What I have been doing is take his blanket and grab him up in it quickly and turn him over and make eye contact and say no firmly. Then put him into his crate. Any other ideas on a plan of action for the time being?? Pam = = _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2113/4826 - Release Date: 02/22/12
