Aha, perfect setup to a point I neglected to make: Lets make simple things simple, and hard things possible, here. I feel for Ian, but only a little. The reason I threw out an idea around headers and footers is not because I use them a lot, it's because I have no idea at all what my current headers and footers are set to, and I don't care, so having a half-dozen popups to control them isn't useful to me. My main complaints about browser printing is that too often bits of the content get cut off - nice page numbering doesn't help when the results are in the round file. If we can get all the output on the page in every situation, I'd be more than happy to lose headers, footers, and margin settings entirely. [Only 50% kidding, there!]
-scott On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Ian Fette <[email protected]> wrote: > I notice you did not include page size, yet all the MSFT ones have it. I > personally find this useful (my printer has both 8.5x11" and A4 loaded, and > I use them both -- mostly 8.5x11, but a4 when I'm printing certain PDFs > (magazine articles, forms, etc from anywhere other than the US). Maybe I'm > abnormal, but I really like being able to select the page size there, rather > than having to go into printer options... > -ian > > 2009/6/2 Scott Hess <[email protected]> >> >> What I meant was to have a popup full of formatted choices which look >> like the thing you want to have. So instead of "Page # of #", which >> is pretty abstract, "Page 1 of 2". Also, instead of have six places >> where you can list five different things (Firefox has five, two of >> which are variants of each other), just have two popups each with all >> 48 sensible combinations. Well, OK, that's a little excessive, but >> maybe someone can think of a better something to constrain that. >> Personally, I don't think a popup with 48 items which are easy to >> navigate (because each item is only a small edit-distance from the >> previous one) is materially worse than three popups with 5 items. >> It's sort of like the search suggest popup, it's easy to navigate >> because things are constrained by what you've typed so far. >> >> Just in case it was the contents that was confusing, I mean instead of >> three independently-settable positions, show a formatted cell made up >> of the literal bits from the page, arranged as they would be shown on >> the output. So in your png, the single Header: popup would show a >> cell with the left-justified title and right-justified URL and nothing >> in the middle. When you pop it up the change things, you'd get the >> different variations to choose from, again formatted with the literal >> items from the page you're printing. >> >> -scott >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Mohamed Mansour >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I removed the options part to give a more visualized idea: >> > http://i41.tinypic.com/syvz7p.png >> > Scott, I agree headers / footers are confusing everywhere, can you >> > elaborate >> > on how we can do inline header/footer representation. I was thinking of >> > the >> > same thing, but I thought it would be confusing for the user to actually >> > click that area, unless it is visually appealing. Ideas? >> > >> > -- Mohamed Mansour >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Scott Hess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think the headers and footers are confusing (everywhere). Why not >> >> just a single popup for each selection which displays a real-time view >> >> of each thing? So it might have items like: >> >> >> >> Header: "Bonsai Kitten >> >> http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten/"; >> >> Footer: "Page 1 of 2 June >> >> 2, >> >> 2009" >> >> >> >> Even better if it were in-line in the box that shows the page (header >> >> above, footer below). Also better if it integrates with the margins, >> >> since the header and footer presumably take up some space, showing how >> >> that space is reclaimed might be valuable. >> >> >> >> -scott [not a UI designer, I hate almost all print panels, they almost >> >> always make what I want hard to do] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Marc-Antoine Ruel >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like the mock. >> >> > Glen has a veto on any UI. >> >> > I think the "Options" is unnecessary until implemented so it can be >> >> > trimmed >> >> > off. >> >> > The inches/mm issue is well done in Microsoft Word where you can type >> >> > the >> >> > units you want to use instead of being forced to use one or another. >> >> > M-A >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mohamed Mansour >> >> > <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi guys, how are you doing? I asked Marc-Antoine about creating a >> >> >> mock-up >> >> >> of the print settings so I was looking into different printer >> >> >> settings user interfaces from various products. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://i44.tinypic.com/rka0c5.png >> >> >> The similarities between them is quite similar, but I really like >> >> >> what >> >> >> Firefox has done with how they divide their sections, as well, how >> >> >> the >> >> >> display the marginal data on the fly. They all have the following >> >> >> things in >> >> >> common: >> >> >> >> >> >> Real-Time displaying of margin changes on the paper >> >> >> Changing headers / footers and allow custom desc >> >> >> Page orientations (Landscape and Portrait) >> >> >> >> >> >> What I liked about the Microsoft products is that everything is in >> >> >> one >> >> >> page. The user will not be confused with many >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> clicks, and everything is there. But, the sections are not divided, they all look squished. >> >> >> Here is my initial proposal. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://i40.tinypic.com/14ki9w0.png >> >> >> Only a single page, where the user will enter his format, options >> >> >> (if >> >> >> any), margins, and header/footer. The components are same as Firefox >> >> >> but all >> >> >> in one page. We should probably do a drop down to state which metric >> >> >> to >> >> >> use >> >> >> (inch/cm) since only America uses inches. >> >> >> I have brought my mother to test this, and mind you, she is very new >> >> >> to >> >> >> computers (very inexperienced), she liked the above version because >> >> >> everything she needs is in her finger tips and understands it better >> >> >> than >> >> >> the others. >> >> >> So that is my take, what do you think? I would like to send this >> >> >> email >> >> >> off >> >> >> to Ben/Glen/Nick since they are the UI team and may have a better UI >> >> >> perspective on how to do things. Let me know if its allowed to be >> >> >> sent >> >> >> to >> >> >> dev mailing list! >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> -- Mohamed Mansour >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Chromium Developers mailing list: [email protected] View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
