I think we should do a page. This work is not otherwise on our immediate term plan so it may as well get done the right way. I think the page is more of a print preview than a print settings.
-Ben On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Mohamed Mansour <[email protected]> wrote: > So what is the final verdict? Create a print settings dialog at a start or > begin doing the printer settings tab page? > -- Mohamed Mansour > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Sverrir Á. Berg <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I think the main challenge is to keep the user flow simple. Traditionally >> Windows programs have split the configuration of a print to two different >> dialogs. The Page Setup dialog and the Print dialog. This has always been >> very confusing for me and I think most users because its not obvious what >> changing the page size in the page setup dialog is supposed to do when you >> select a new printer in the Print dialog or move to a new document. If we >> would go this route we would have a Page setup in the main menu and the >> print option in the page menu. Confusing at best. >> My vision for this was that by selecting print the user would go directly >> to a new tab with the print preview where the configuration would be >> visually obvious and you could by clicking on the header margins etc change >> the options, view the visual effects and then there and select the single >> button on the page that would say print. >> I've been taking the first steps for this in the work I have been doing to >> duplicate the DOM so that we have a static copy that can be printed. This >> is a prerequisite for the print preview (IMHO). >> As an in-between step we could go for a simple dialog that only displays >> the default case and has large buttons that you can click to edit page and >> printer settings (attached). >> Clicking the page would simply display a list of options (possibly similar >> to the manage search engines dialog) that would allow you do modify each one >> and possibly reset them all to default. Crude but efficient. >> Sverrir >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Marc-Antoine Ruel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> That's an idea of what it'll looks like when embedded in a tab but it's >>> dependent on Sverrir's (and future) work. >>> M-A >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Mohamed Mansour >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Then you could directly see the effect of the settings you were >>>> changing on the printed output." So similar what Scott suggestion regarding >>>> inline editing? So something like this, or even more real-time ... NOTE: I >>>> just drew this at work with mspaint with paint brush and transform ;x >>>> >>>> http://i42.tinypic.com/2lnxymd.png >>>> Ian, page size is useful we could add that as well. I personally don't >>>> know how complex we even want it. The chromium UI team is very very picky >>>> for every inch being put on screen. We could make a full blown printer >>>> settings page and have a "Advanced link" that expands more options. I don't >>>> know. I am just spitting out mocks. >>>> Maybe just place the preview as the main one and people click on >>>> appropriate places, but that will be confusing to many newbs. >>>> >>>> -- Mohamed Mansour >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Marc-Antoine Ruel <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes it's still the goal but in the mean time it'd be nice to have >>>>> something to be able to configure the basic settings. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Ben Goodger (Google) <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't like these dialog boxes... I thought we had a more ambitious >>>>>> goal once upon a time to do some of this in-tab. Then you could >>>>>> directly see the effect of the settings you were changing on the >>>>>> printed output. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Mohamed Mansour >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > I removed the options part to give a more visualized idea: >>>>>> > http://i41.tinypic.com/syvz7p.png >>>>>> > Scott, I agree headers / footers are confusing everywhere, can you >>>>>> > elaborate >>>>>> > on how we can do inline header/footer representation. I was thinking >>>>>> > of the >>>>>> > same thing, but I thought it would be confusing for the user to >>>>>> > actually >>>>>> > click that area, unless it is visually appealing. Ideas? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- Mohamed Mansour >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Scott Hess <[email protected]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I think the headers and footers are confusing (everywhere). Why >>>>>> >> not >>>>>> >> just a single popup for each selection which displays a real-time >>>>>> >> view >>>>>> >> of each thing? So it might have items like: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Header: "Bonsai Kitten >>>>>> >> http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten/"; >>>>>> >> Footer: "Page 1 of 2 >>>>>> >> June 2, >>>>>> >> 2009" >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Even better if it were in-line in the box that shows the page >>>>>> >> (header >>>>>> >> above, footer below). Also better if it integrates with the >>>>>> >> margins, >>>>>> >> since the header and footer presumably take up some space, showing >>>>>> >> how >>>>>> >> that space is reclaimed might be valuable. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -scott [not a UI designer, I hate almost all print panels, they >>>>>> >> almost >>>>>> >> always make what I want hard to do] >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Marc-Antoine Ruel >>>>>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> > I like the mock. >>>>>> >> > Glen has a veto on any UI. >>>>>> >> > I think the "Options" is unnecessary until implemented so it can >>>>>> >> > be >>>>>> >> > trimmed >>>>>> >> > off. >>>>>> >> > The inches/mm issue is well done in Microsoft Word where you can >>>>>> >> > type >>>>>> >> > the >>>>>> >> > units you want to use instead of being forced to use one or >>>>>> >> > another. >>>>>> >> > M-A >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mohamed Mansour >>>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Hi guys, how are you doing? I asked Marc-Antoine about creating >>>>>> >> >> a >>>>>> >> >> mock-up >>>>>> >> >> of the print settings so I was looking into different printer >>>>>> >> >> settings user interfaces from various products. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> http://i44.tinypic.com/rka0c5.png >>>>>> >> >> The similarities between them is quite similar, but I really >>>>>> >> >> like what >>>>>> >> >> Firefox has done with how they divide their sections, as well, >>>>>> >> >> how the >>>>>> >> >> display the marginal data on the fly. They all have the >>>>>> >> >> following >>>>>> >> >> things in >>>>>> >> >> common: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Real-Time displaying of margin changes on the paper >>>>>> >> >> Changing headers / footers and allow custom desc >>>>>> >> >> Page orientations (Landscape and Portrait) >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> What I liked about the Microsoft products is that everything is >>>>>> >> >> in one >>>>>> >> >> page. The user will not be confused with many >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> clicks, and everything is there. But, the sections are not divided, they all look squished. >>>>>> >> >> Here is my initial proposal. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> http://i40.tinypic.com/14ki9w0.png >>>>>> >> >> Only a single page, where the user will enter his format, >>>>>> >> >> options (if >>>>>> >> >> any), margins, and header/footer. The components are same as >>>>>> >> >> Firefox >>>>>> >> >> but all >>>>>> >> >> in one page. We should probably do a drop down to state which >>>>>> >> >> metric to >>>>>> >> >> use >>>>>> >> >> (inch/cm) since only America uses inches. >>>>>> >> >> I have brought my mother to test this, and mind you, she is very >>>>>> >> >> new to >>>>>> >> >> computers (very inexperienced), she liked the above version >>>>>> >> >> because >>>>>> >> >> everything she needs is in her finger tips and understands it >>>>>> >> >> better >>>>>> >> >> than >>>>>> >> >> the others. >>>>>> >> >> So that is my take, what do you think? I would like to send this >>>>>> >> >> email >>>>>> >> >> off >>>>>> >> >> to Ben/Glen/Nick since they are the UI team and may have a >>>>>> >> >> better UI >>>>>> >> >> perspective on how to do things. Let me know if its allowed to >>>>>> >> >> be sent >>>>>> >> >> to >>>>>> >> >> dev mailing list! >>>>>> >> >> Thanks! >>>>>> >> >> -- Mohamed Mansour >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Chromium Developers mailing list: [email protected] View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
