В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а): > I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications > > HDV 720p > 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name? > > HDV 1080i > 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25 > > HDV 1080p > 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25 Those seems to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work? > > > At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i" > for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats. > Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue. ok .... > > > Terje J. H > > > > > Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin: > > Yes it's clear > > HDV 1080i "Top field first" > > and DV "Bottom field first" > > > > In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can > > record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc). > > > > Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot: > > > > > > An example of HDV material > > > > General > > ID : 255 (0xFF) > > Complete name : exemple.m2t > > Format : MPEG-TS > > Commercial name : HDV 1080i > > File size : 30.2 MiB > > Duration : 10s 878ms > > Start time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03 > > End time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14 > > Overall bit rate mode : Variable > > Overall bit rate : 23.2 Mbps > > Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps > > Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03 > > > > Video > > ID : 2064 (0x810) > > Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > > Format : MPEG Video > > Commercial name : HDV 1080i > > Format version : Version 2 > > Format profile : Main@High 1440 > > Format settings, BVOP : Yes > > Format settings, Matrix : Default > > Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15 > > Format settings, picture structure : Frame > > Codec ID : 2 > > Duration : 10s 544ms > > Bit rate : 21.7 Mbps > > Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps > > Width : 1 440 pixels > > Height : 1 080 pixels > > Display aspect ratio : 16:9 > > Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps > > Standard : Component > > Color space : YUV > > Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 > > Bit depth : 8 bits > > Scan type : Interlaced > > Scan order : Top Field First > > Compression mode : Lossy > > Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.466 > > Stream size : 27.3 MiB (90%) > > Color primaries : BT.709 > > Transfer characteristics : BT.709 > > Matrix coefficients : BT.709 > > > > Audio > > ID : 2068 (0x814) > > Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > > Format : MPEG Audio > > Format version : Version 1 > > Format profile : Layer 2 > > Codec ID : 3 > > Duration : 10s 584ms > > Bit rate mode : Constant > > Bit rate : 384 Kbps > > Channel(s) : 2 channels > > Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz > > Compression mode : Lossy > > Delay relative to video : -252ms > > Stream size : 496 KiB (2%) > > > > Menu > > ID : 129 (0x81) > > Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > > List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) / > > 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) () > > > > > > > > An example of DV material (ntsc) > > > > General > > Complete name : exemple.avi > > Format : AVI > > Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave > > Commercial name : DV > > File size : 446 MiB > > Duration : 2mn 3s > > Overall bit rate mode : Constant > > Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps > > Recorded date : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000 > > > > Video > > ID : 0 > > Format : DV > > Codec ID : dvsd > > Codec ID/Hint : Sony > > Duration : 2mn 3s > > Bit rate mode : Constant > > Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps > > Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps > > Width : 720 pixels > > Height : 480 pixels > > Display aspect ratio : 16:9 > > Frame rate mode : Constant > > Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps > > Standard : NTSC > > Color space : > > /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV > > Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1 > > Bit depth : 8 bits > > Scan type : Interlaced > > Scan order : Bottom Field First > > Compression mode : Lossy > > Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 > > Time code of first frame : 00:00:02:08 > > Time code source : Subcode time code > > Stream size : 423 MiB (95%) > > Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb > > mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus > > > > Audio > > ID : 1 > > Format : PCM > > Format settings, Endianness : Little > > Format settings, Sign : Signed > > Codec ID : 1 > > Duration : 2mn 3s > > Bit rate mode : Constant > > Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps > > Channel(s) : 2 channels > > Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz > > Bit depth : 16 bits > > Stream size : 22.6 MiB (5%) > > Alignment : Aligned on interleaves > > Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame) > > Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms > > > > > > > > Pierre > > > > > > > > > > Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit : > >> Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be > >> > >> To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field > >> first" .............. > >> General > > Complete name : > > /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi > > Format : AVI > > Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave > > Commercial name : DV > > Format profile : OpenDML > > File size : 2.12 GiB > > Duration : 10mn 1s > > Overall bit rate mode : Constant > > Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps > > Recorded date : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000 > > > > Video > > ID : 0 > > Format : DV > > Codec ID : dvsd > > Codec ID/Hint : Sony > > Duration : 10mn 1s > > Bit rate mode : Constant > > Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps > > Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps > > Width : 720 pixels > > Height : 480 pixels > > Display aspect ratio : 16:9 > > Frame rate mode : Constant > > Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps > > Standard : NTSC > > Color space : YUV > > Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1 > > Bit depth : 8 bits > > Scan type : Interlaced > > Scan order : Bottom Field First > > Compression mode : Lossy > > Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 > > Time code of first frame : 00:09:19:19 > > Time code source : Subcode time code > > Stream size : 2.02 GiB (95%) > > > > Audio > > ID : 1 > > Format : PCM > > Format settings, Endianness : Little > > Format settings, Sign : Signed > > Codec ID : 1 > > Duration : 10mn 1s > > Bit rate mode : Constant > > Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps > > Channel(s) : 2 channels > > Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz > > Bit depth : 16 bits > > Stream size : 110 MiB (5%) > > Alignment : Aligned on interleaves > > Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame) > > Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms > > > >> > >> Terje J. H > >> > >> > >> > >> Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen: > >>> Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to > >>> await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy > >>> to Pierre and Andrew here. > >>> > >>> To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first" > >>> and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using > >>> ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below: > >>> > >>> > >>> PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0 > >>> ======= ========================================= > >>> (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next > >>> converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog > >>> to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder) > >>> > >>> > >>> > ffprobe dv01_07.dv > >>> .................... > >>> Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv': > >>> Metadata: > >>> timecode : 01:09:35:09 > >>> Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s > >>> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR > >>> 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc > >>> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s > >>> > >>> > >>> > mediainfo dv01_07.dv > >>> ...................... > >>> General > >>> Complete name : dv01_07.dv > >>> Format : DV > >>> File size : 389 MiB > >>> Duration : 1 min 53 s > >>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant > >>> Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s > >>> > >>> Video > >>> Format : DV > >>> Duration : 1 min 53 s > >>> Bit rate mode : Constant > >>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s > >>> Width : 720 pixels > >>> Height : 576 pixels > >>> Display aspect ratio : 4:3 > >>> Frame rate mode : Constant > >>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS > >>> Standard : PAL > >>> Color space : YUV > >>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 > >>> Bit depth : 8 bits > >>> Scan type : Interlaced > >>> Scan order : Bottom Field First > >>> Compression mode : Lossy > >>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 > >>> Time code of first frame : 01:09:35:09 > >>> Time code source : Subcode time code > >>> Stream size : 330 MiB (85%) > >>> > >>> Audio > >>> ID : 0 > >>> Format : PCM > >>> Format settings : Big / Signed > >>> Duration : 1 min 53 s > >>> Bit rate mode : Constant > >>> Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s > >>> Channel(s) : 2 channels > >>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz > >>> Bit depth : 16 bits > >>> Stream size : 20.7 MiB (5%) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0 > >>> ===================================================== > >>> (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and > >>> next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk > >>> Recorder) > >>> > >>> > >>> > ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t > >>> ..................... > >>> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t': > >>> Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s > >>> Program 100 > >>> Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / > >>> 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR > >>> 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc > >>> Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 > >>> Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s > >>> Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0) > >>> Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) > >>> > >>> > >>> > mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t > >>> ........................ > >>> General > >>> ID : 255 (0xFF) > >>> Complete name : hdv01_03.m2t > >>> Format : MPEG-TS > >>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i > >>> File size : 2.00 GiB > >>> Duration : 10 min 57 s > >>> Start time : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17 > >>> End time : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00 > >>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable > >>> Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s > >>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s > >>> Encoded date : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17 > >>> > >>> Video > >>> ID : 2064 (0x810) > >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > >>> Format : MPEG Video > >>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i > >>> Format version : Version 2 > >>> Format profile : Main@High 1440 > >>> Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP > >>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes > >>> Format settings, Matrix : Custom > >>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12 > >>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame > >>> Codec ID : 2 > >>> Duration : 10 min 57 s > >>> Bit rate mode : Constant > >>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s > >>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s > >>> Width : 1 440 pixels > >>> Height : 1 080 pixels > >>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9 > >>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS > >>> Standard : Component > >>> Color space : YUV > >>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 > >>> Bit depth : 8 bits > >>> Scan type : Interlaced > >>> Scan order : Top Field First > >>> Compression mode : Lossy > >>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.628 > >>> Stream size : 1.87 GiB (94%) > >>> Color primaries : BT.709 > >>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709 > >>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709 > >>> > >>> Audio > >>> ID : 2068 (0x814) > >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > >>> Format : MPEG Audio > >>> Format version : Version 1 > >>> Format profile : Layer 2 > >>> Codec ID : 3 > >>> Duration : 10 min 57 s > >>> Bit rate mode : Constant > >>> Bit rate : 384 kb/s > >>> Channel(s) : 2 channels > >>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz > >>> Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF) > >>> Compression mode : Lossy > >>> Delay relative to video : -192 ms > >>> Stream size : 30.1 MiB (1%) > >>> > >>> Menu > >>> ID : 129 (0x81) > >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64) > >>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) > >>> / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) () > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------- > >>> Terje J. 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