On sre, 2006-02-22 at 00:50 +0100, Nicolas wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 12:10:44AM +0100, Andraz Tori wrote: > > On tor, 2006-02-21 at 23:31 +0100, Nicolas wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Hannes, > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm a bit disappointed about all the stuff needed to > > > build cinelerra. Do most of the developpers of Cinelerra use Gentoo? I > > > run Debian SID, and here's what I get : autoreconf --version Autoconf > > > version 2.13 automake --version automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6 > > > libtoolize --version libtoolize (GNU libtool) 1.5.22 > > > > Developers use different distros, as far as regular building of > > packages, Debian unstable is the most supported. Followed by Ubuntu... > > > > Why don't you use already built packages? > > I'm not confident with already built packages taken from a place on the > internet which is not a "reliable source". Unless you could give me a > reliable source of already built packages. I talk about the last > versions of the SVN... I'd be interested in such an information.
It's actually me who builds them. They can be relied on no more or less than SVN. > > > I build lot's of programs on my system, and Cinelerra is the only one > > > which forces me to install another programs using source. Generally, > > > other programs do not need the latest version. > > > > Well... there are not many full featured editing suites that you can get > > for free... We are severely underpowered and are calling for help all > > the time. If you have any talent in writing tutorials, creating video > > tutorials or maybe creating the missing icons, we would be really glad > > to get any help. > > I'm not a programmer. However, I promote Cinelerra on forums, and I > often put the Cinelerra icon on my videos (which are seen by tens of > thousands people). What I am really good at is photography, but I'm not > sure that would be of any interest for Cinelerra. What I could do is > taking a picture for the Cinelerra window which appears when Cinelerra > is launched? ;-) Write a tutorial on video stuff that you are good at ! :) > > > Are the latest versions of autoreconf and automake REALLY necessary for > > > Cinelerra? Is it REALLY necessary to force users to install the latest > > > version just to get the same configuration than the developpers? :-/ > > > > no, it is not expected of users to build it themselves. Though Gentoo > > users tend to do that a lot, don't know why :) > > I want to build it from SVN because I encounter a very big bug with > Cinelerra. I can't load any project when launching it from a "normal" > user. Cinelerra works when it's launched from the root account only. > Perhaps the problem comes from my configuration, from other programs on > my computer. I just don't know why. Since I don't get any clue, I > decided to built the latest SVN. That's the reason. I'd say some permissions are the problem if it only works as root... > Now, I would like to precise my ideas, because I fear I did not > explained clearly the problem. > I REALLY appreciate the wonderful job Cinelerra SVN developpers do. > Cinelerra greatly improved since I used it for the first time. It works > really fine (well, at least when I launch it from the root account since > last WE ;-)). And this mailing-list is really active and useful. I > already get very useful help and information on this mailing-list, and > that's very very good! > I get a problem with the version of other programs needed for building > the latest SVN. I already built SVN 3 or 4 months ago, and I encountered > a problem with the x264 library, which some of you helped me to solved > on this mailing list. You gave me the URL where I could get that library > which I need to build Cinelerra, since it wasn't possible to deactivate > it when configuring Cinelerra. > Now, the version of autoconf and another program which are on my > computer aren't up to date. > > That's why I give my opinion. I'm probably not the best person to give > my opinion, for sure. But doesn't user opinion is interesting sometime? > Perhaps what I wrote was totally unjustified, and I'm sure you know what > you're talking about, and I believe you. Users are nice, as long as they don't complain :) :) Anyway, it is ok to hear your opinion, but we rally are severly underpowered, so please don't take it as an offence if i say that making it built in all possible environments is less of a priority than making it work at least in some. > But I'm surprised by the fact that compiling Cinelerra needs versions of > programs which aren't the ones which are shipped with a Debian SID > up-to-date. I do not encounter such problems when compiling other > programs. Generally Debian SID packages contains programs which version > is not that old. Cinelerra is easily compilable by using Debian unstable + marilat sources. I don't really think anything is missing in this regard. It should 'just work' (at least it does for me on the build machine). > I though "Hey, is that normal?" "Are developpers aware of that?" > I try to understand. Now, perhaps the versions of those programs are > needed because they are really important for the latest SVN versions. Build system hasn't changed significantly for a long time. Primarily due to the fact that there is noone that really has time to work on it. I don't think you actually need all those new libraries and utilities, but it is just a checkpoint of the list of things that might fix your problem. They might also not. > Anyway, I don't want you to think I do not respect your work. I really > know some of you are really involved in developping Cinelerra SVN. And > thanks to your work, the SVN version is what it is now: a very good > video editor. Look at my messages I post on this mailing list. They > often finish with the word "Thanks". That the way for me to tell I > really appreciate your work, for developping a free and very good > software I often use. Yeah, great, keep using it. However you might do much more good if you try to write a tutorial or extend the Wiki. I don't really care for "thanks", but writing a useful article about some functionality in cinelerra would be worth 1000 of "thanks". > I hope I clearly explained my opinion. My French is better than my > English, but I'm not sure you would understand me better. ;-) My French is non-existant, you can try Slovenian though :) btw: don't take this conversation too seriously, i didn't want to be rude, just to point out more fruitful ways of getting somewhere. bye andraž _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list [email protected] https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
