Not to drag this on any longer than necessary, but anyone who calls themselves a network engineer should have no problem understanding Boolean math and bitwise operations. How can you understand how a device decides to send traffic to a local device or through a router if you don't understand a bitwise AND between the destination address and subnet mask, bitwise AND between your address and subnet mask, and a comparison between the two? NOT AND OR XOR SHIFT, this is all computing, and networking, 101 stuff. How it can be considered non-natural, non-obvious, or hard to understand by a network engineer is something I can't grasp.
For a newbie in an introductory class, I'd start off with some basic math and logical operations, perhaps some introductory programming so that they can understand the operations that a device goes through in routing traffic, and even in parsing the configuration. Thanks, Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS Senior Network Engineer Coleman Technologies, Inc. 954-298-1697 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cisco-nsp- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stretch > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:15 AM > To: Ben Steele > Cc: Campbell, Alex; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Wanting to learn Juniper... > > Of course it seems intuitive to anyone who's worked with Cisco gear for > even a short amount of time. But in running newbies through the basics > in an introductory Cisco class, this is one thing I've noticed that > seems odd to them. Obviously this isn't a huge stumbling block, just > noting that the concept of "not off" isn't as natural as "on." > > stretch > http://packetlife.net > > Ben Steele wrote: > > That seems very intuitive to me, as soon as you understand that "no > > xxxx" in IOS removes/negates "xxxx", means less commands which makes > > sense. > > > > Unless the term shutdown doesn't seem clear in an interface? I would > > assume it does to the majority of people though, IOS familiar or not. > > > > On 11/04/2008, at 3:43 PM, Jeremy Stretch wrote: > > > >> Tolstykh, Andrew wrote: > >>> Cisco IOS is in fact extremely intuitive, there is nothing > intuitive > >>> about the JunOS IMHO. > >> I can't speak on JunOS, but considering that the IOS command to > enable > >> an interface is "no shutdown," IOS may not be as intuitive as you > think. > >> > >> stretch > >> http://packetlife.net > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] > >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > >> archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
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