I respectfully disagree with your disagreeing...heheheheh. I just cant see 3
CCIEs unable to network? What do you mean by network? They cant setup a
router? They are having problems with the IOS? or with other non-cisco
equipment?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Haller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I
> know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network
> their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that
> you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a
> guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that
> have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there!
>
>
> --- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have
> > noticed
> > a recent influx in people attempting and passing
> > CCNP
> > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of
> > hundreds of people on this board ...
> >
> > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this
> > means
> > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work
> > and
> > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your
> > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There
> > is
> > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the
> > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Mike;
> > >
> > > I find your comment very interesting, most
> > positions
> > > state how
> > > many years of experience before applying. The only
> > > exceptions
> > > that I have seen with certification positions, is
> > in
> > > the programing field.
> > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's
> > > the resources for
> > > people to obtain experience.
> > >
> > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs
> > for
> > > people to work in when
> > > studying for their certification that are
> > affordable
> > > or that it can be obtain.
> > > People need to be involved with study groups and
> > > they should do volunteer
> > > work or try working as a contractor.
> > >
> > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft
> > > started programs in
> > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming
> > > certified. Why did they do
> > > that!!!!
> > >
> > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are
> > > seeing, have passed the test????
> > >
> > > my 03 cents worth.
> > >
> > > respectfully,
> > > adele
> > >
> > > Mike Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > > I will probably get yelled at for this one
> > but...
> > > >
> > > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the
> > > CCIE.
> > > > So up front I am not against certs.
> > > >
> > > > I am becoming aware of more and more people
> > > becoming
> > > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and
> > > actually
> > > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing
> > > for
> > > > network folks, I have the opportunity to
> > interview
> > > > these people to verify technical experience. I
> > > have
> > > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks
> > > who
> > > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > This scares me because I am also working hard
> > > toward
> > > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven
> > and
> > > is
> > > > showing up more that these people are becoming
> > > "paper"
> > > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE.
> > > >
> > > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will
> > remain
> > > as
> > > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for
> > one
> > > do
> > > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the
> > > CCIE
> > > > title to be one among thousands who also have
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will
> > > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the
> > > CCNP/DP
> > > > and not become another MCSE program.
> > > >
> > > >
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