I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I
know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network
their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that
you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a
guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that
have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there!
--- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have
> noticed
> a recent influx in people attempting and passing
> CCNP
> and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of
> hundreds of people on this board ...
>
> Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this
> means
> nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work
> and
> is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your
> issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There
> is
> no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the
> lab, you know your stuff .. WELL.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Mike;
> >
> > I find your comment very interesting, most
> positions
> > state how
> > many years of experience before applying. The only
> > exceptions
> > that I have seen with certification positions, is
> in
> > the programing field.
> > It's not the certification being a problem - it's
> > the resources for
> > people to obtain experience.
> >
> > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs
> for
> > people to work in when
> > studying for their certification that are
> affordable
> > or that it can be obtain.
> > People need to be involved with study groups and
> > they should do volunteer
> > work or try working as a contractor.
> >
> > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft
> > started programs in
> > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming
> > certified. Why did they do
> > that!!!!
> >
> > What amazes me is how these people, that you are
> > seeing, have passed the test????
> >
> > my 03 cents worth.
> >
> > respectfully,
> > adele
> >
> > Mike Davis wrote:
> >
> > > I will probably get yelled at for this one
> but...
> > >
> > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the
> > CCIE.
> > > So up front I am not against certs.
> > >
> > > I am becoming aware of more and more people
> > becoming
> > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and
> > actually
> > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing
> > for
> > > network folks, I have the opportunity to
> interview
> > > these people to verify technical experience. I
> > have
> > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks
> > who
> > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally
> > know.
> > >
> > > This scares me because I am also working hard
> > toward
> > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven
> and
> > is
> > > showing up more that these people are becoming
> > "paper"
> > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE.
> > >
> > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will
> remain
> > as
> > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for
> one
> > do
> > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the
> > CCIE
> > > title to be one among thousands who also have
> it.
> > >
> > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will
> > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the
> > CCNP/DP
> > > and not become another MCSE program.
> > >
> > >
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