That's it!  Wow, very cool.  That's really been bugging me.  I 
posted it to the TAC Open Q&A Forum, so we'll see if they come 
up with the right answer!  :-)

Thanks for letting me know about that, I appreciate it.

John

---- On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Stefan Dozier 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> John, I've been following your thread and think I found a 
possible
> answer
> to your question on why the neighbor statement gets ignored 
when entered
> on spoke routers!
> 
> In the OSPF Desig Guide "Section 1" under "Adjacencies on Non-
Broadcast
> Multi-Access (NBMA) Networks" the next to last statement in 
the
> paragraph
> gives us a clue.
> 
> "The neighbor command applies to routers with a potential of 
being DRs
> or
> BDRs
> (interface priority not equal to 0)."
> 
> So to test that theory, I changed the priority on one of my 
spokes to 1
> from 0 and viola, it takes the neighbor statement just fine. 
Prior to
> changing the interface priority I could enter the neighbor 
statement
> under
> the OSPF process, but it didn't show up in the config.
> 
> Spoke Router:
> 
> interface Serial0
>  ip address 192.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
>  no ip directed-broadcast
>  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
>  logging event subif-link-status
>  logging event dlci-status-change
>  frame-relay map ip 192.1.1.2 100 broadcast
>  frame-relay map ip 192.1.1.3 100 broadcast
>  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> !
> router ospf 64
>  network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
>  neighbor 192.1.1.2
> 
> Hub Router:
> 
> interface Serial0
>  ip address 192.1.1.2 255.255.255.0
>  encapsulation frame-relay IETF
>  frame-relay map ip 192.1.1.1 100 broadcast
>  frame-relay map ip 192.1.1.3 200 broadcast
>  frame-relay lmi-type ansi
> !
> router ospf 64
>  log-adjacency-changes
>  network 2.2.2.2 0.0.0.0 area 0
>  network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
>  neighbor 192.1.1.3
>  neighbor 192.1.1.1 priority 1  I thought you only need the 
neighbor
> statement on one side of
> the
> > connection?
> >
> > Once a router accepts the hello, adjacencies are formed with
> information
> > from the hello via unicast communication from that point
> forward.
> >
> > Sort of like if I shout over a hill, "Hey Routerman are you
> there, this
> > is
> > Jim." Then you would respond back to me by name.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Router Man [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:28 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: OSPF and The Disappearing Neighbor Statement
> [7:31656]
> >
> >
> > I was able to reproduce your exact scenario.  I had a hub
> with two
> > spokes
> > and the neighbor statements only appeared on the hub. This 
is
> very
> > interesting and I'm not sure what the reason behind it is.  
I
> am glad
> > that
> > this was brought up, because I would love to get to the
> bottom of this
> > situation.  I'll keep you posted ""John Neiberger""  wrote 
in
> message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The network statement definitely was there, but the
> neighbor
> > > statements would only appear on the hub router.
> Interestingly, I just
> >
> > > saw a sample configuration similar to this on CCO and they
> only had
> > > the neighbor statement on one router, not both.  I think 
as
> long as
> > > one router has a neighbor statement configured, the
> adjacency will
> > > form assuming all other things being equal (network type,
> etc.)
> > >
> > > The adjacencies formed but I had to cycle the interfaces 
to
> get things
> > > started.   Even if the neighbor statement is only required
> on one
> > side,
> > > I still don't understand why the router wouldn't let me 
add
> it.  The
> > > adjacencies would eventually form, however, and routing
> occurred
> > > exactly as I expected it.
> > >
> > > I did notice a minor issue with the neighbor statements on
> the hub.  I
> >
> > > had three of them, and one of them inserted 'priority 1' 
at
> the end,
> > > yet the other two remained as I entered them.
> > >
> > > >>> "Router Man"  1/11/02 3:08:03 PM >>>
> > > The only time that the "neighbor" statement will not show
> up in the
> > > running-config, is if you do not have a "network" 
statement
> under the
> > > "router ospf" process.  I am doubting that the neighbors
> formed an
> > > adjacency without the neigbor or network statements 
showing
> up under
> > > the ospf config.
> > > If the adjacency was actually formed, then it must be a 
bug.
> > >
> > > Another thing that I have noticed is than when trying to
> use the
> > > neighbor statement to set the priority, "neighbor 1.1.1.1
> priority
> > > 255" the priority
> > > will change to something other than what I set it too.  It
> took me a
> > > while
> > > to figure this one out.   The problem is that I have to
> have matching
> > > "ip
> > > ospf priority 255" statements under the interfaces running
> ospf .
> > > ""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > It was hot, too hot.  Our detective had been working
> feverishly to
> > > > configure OSPF over NBMA without the use of ip ospf
> network
> > > statements.
> > > > He knew that to do this he must explicitly add neighbor
> statements
> > > or
> > > > adjacencies would not form.
> > > >
> > > > He logs into the hub router and types in his three
> neighbor
> > > statements.
> > > >  All seems well.  It's still too hot, but it's a dry 
heat.
> > > >
> > > > He now logs into one of the spoke routers and types in
> his neighbor
> > > > statement.  He pauses momentarily and then checks the 
OSPF
> > > adjacencies.
> > > > Something seems to be wrong, he thinks to himself.  This
> ought to be
> >
> > > > working, but it isn't.  Why not?  He looks through the
> running
> > > > config
> > > to
> > > > look for any errors and notices the the neighbor
> statement that he
> > > just
> > > > entered is missing!
> > > >
> > > > He slowly and deliberately types it in again making sure
> there are
> > > no
> > > > mistakes but yet it still does not show up in the 
running
> > > configuration.
> > > >  Is this an IOS issue?  Operator error?  Some rift in 
the
> space-time
> >
> > > > continuum?
> > > >
> > > > He jumps to another spoke router running a different IOS
> and tries
> > > the
> > > > same thing with the same result.  He is frantic now,
> beads of sweat
> > > > pouring down his face.  What if this were the real CCIE
> lab exam?
> > > Could
> > > > this be a fatal stumbling block?
> > > >
> > > > He finally notices that adjacencies do eventually form
> after
> > > clearing
> > > > the relevant interfaces.  This must be because the hub
> router
> > > accepted
> > > > the neighbor statements.  But what if it hadn't, he
> ponders.  He
> > > thinks
> > > > forward into the future when--a day after taking the lab
> exam--he
> > > > receives the dreaded email that says, "We're sorry, it 
is
> apparent
> > > that
> > > > you have no clue."
> > > >
> > > > Back to the real world....
> > > >
> > > > What was the cause of the missing neighbor statements?
> Have any of
> > > you
> > > > run into this before?  I've never bothered to explicitly
> use
> > > neighbor
> > > > statements as I'm in the habit of using the ip ospf
> network command
> > > to
> > > > make them unnecessary.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > John
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
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