>A CCIE With no work experience????
>
>I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible,
>but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work
>experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain????
Different model, but worth looking at. Requirements for board
eligibility, more or less:
4 years undergraduate
4 years medical school
1-6 years of surgical residency (depends if there's a surgical
internship)
5? years of neurosurgery fellowship.
When does it change from education to work experience?
>
>Makes you think eh??? I think your best bet is to get a job as a CCNP or
>CCNA, get a year or two experience (Minimum) then worry about CCIE. Maybe
>work some other certs in there too, like Unix or maybe Microsoft or
>something to round you out a bit more and make some opportunities in the
>market for yourself... Or firewalls, and or something like tripwire etc...
>
>My point is, If you have a CCNA, CCNP, CCIE, and 50 other certifications
>behind your name, and no work experience, poeple are going to know you are a
>good test taker, but you will still be starting off at the bottom. With a
>salary range of maybe 30-50k But that CCIE is not going to make it 100k no
>matter what your cousins brother or whatever told you. All the
>certifications are for is to take someone who has the experience, and
>skills, and gives them something they can use as proof of their expertise.
>
>It is not for an entry level person to get so they can get a higher start
>pay... All that does is cheapen the cert.
>
>Look at the MCSE. Back when I took my MCSE, that cert gave me credibility. I
>walked out of every interview with an offer. I could make my own choices. I
>took my MCSE after several years of workwith Net systems including Novell,
>IBM OS/2, and Microsoft. It was more of a proof of my skill set. Not a proof
>I can read Brain Dumps, and hope I will do ok if someone gives me the
>chance...
>
>Now days you mention MCSE, and what goes through your mind??? Thats right
>Worthless.....
>
>Now why is that?
>
>Its because people with no skills heard of someone who became an MCSE, and
>started making 70k or whatever... Then that person decided,.... Hey, I can
>do that.... And found Transcenders etc... Became an M CSE, but cant even
>copy files to a floppy ....
>
>This happened on a large scale, and soon employers were hiring worthless
>MCSEs, and were getting frustrated...
>
>Now, in the IT industry, it has become a low level Cert... TO me that ticks
>me off. Ive been an MCSE since 96, and mine is prrof of the pudding.... not
>a piece of paper...
>
>Now, Cisco is becoming the same way. Look at how many people are becoming
>CCNP...CCNA...etc... How many of those people could configure a medium level
>network lab without the directions????
>
>How many could trouble shoot their way out of a paper bag????
>
>If people dont try to really learn the systems, all certifications will be
>no better than a 3rd grade diploma!
>
>sorry for my soap box, just really feel people take these things the wrong
>way.... If people dont wake up, then all of this is for nothing...
>
>I would not be happy spending a couple thousand dollars to get a 3rd grade
>diploma????
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Carr"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:26 PM
>Subject: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]
>
>
>> what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience.
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