He should be getting ready for retirement so that the youngs ones should take over.
----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Buehler To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > Change the original posters question to include: > > How about a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP, CCIE with 16 years of Telecom > experience. (DS0,DS1, DS3, OC-3 to OC-192, DWDM) Telco switch etc. > (test, turn-up, trouble-shooting) and only physical experience with IT? > > > > > ""Guy"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Well, more power to you!!! > > > > As far as what you should expect.... > > > > An entry level NOC position.... If you go in with the attitude that you > > should be at a Senior Level because of the IE, then you will be one of the > > ones crying about how theres no jobs available... Which ever way you go, I > > doubt your CCIE will have any more leverage than your CCNP will... > Something > > that might be a good move for you is a latteral move within your ISP. in > the > > AS support or something.... But it sounds like you are the person the > > average user calls when they cant get the little E thing on their desktop > to > > do anything.... If thats your position, get out and move... If you support > > the companies about their T1, then your in a good starting place... > > > > Best of luck, everyone has to start, but Im afraid the CCIE at this stage > > may hurt you... > > > > Heres what I mean.... You are qualified for entry level... Your > > Certifications say you are over qualified.... Your work experience says > your > > under qualified for your certs... > > > > What does an employer do? If they have delt with a CCIE before, they > > probobly wont consider you because they dont have the confidence in you to > > control their multi million dollar network.... > > > > On the otherside... Your certifications would get you overlooked for the > > positions you would excel at quickly and allow you to get the experience, > > because they dont think you would accept any offer for a lower position... > > > > So your resume gets dumped.... > > > > Some important things to consider..... > > > > I would not consider your resume if it had all of that, and all within one > > year... My first instinct would be BRAIN DUMPS... CHEET SHEETS.... > > TRANSCENDERS...., and I would throw your resume away.... > > > > Now someone with CCNA, maybe CCNP, but not too much, would get my > attention > > for a good paying entry to mid level position.... > > > > CCIE is upper level position.... Cant put you in charge of my team of > > engineers with experience levels ranging from 2-10 years when you have > > 0-1.... No one would folllow you. It would not be a good team anymore.... > > These are things beyond the technical aspect that management must face. > > > > Just think about it.. Im not trying to keep you from succeding, just > trying > > to keep you from hurting yourself... > > > > Its like the small company that saves up their money for a Super Bowl > Ad... > > They get 3 million responses and their 2 man company cant handle it.... > WHat > > happens to them? > > > > They run themselves out of business... too much too fast... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Neiberger" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:31 PM > > Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > > > > > To go through those certs that quickly is very impressive! If you pass > > > the lab, I still think you will get a lot of funny looks when you say > > > you have no work experience, yet you are a CCIE. As long as you're > > > prepared for that, it's up to you to sell yourself. It will be tough > > > but I think if you can show that you really know your stuff, you should > > > be able to find a pretty good job. > > > > > > However, I wouldn't count on a huge salary right at the begging simply > > > because of the certifications. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > John > > > > > > >>> "Joe Carr" 1/31/02 12:33:02 PM >>> > > > I'm going for my CCIE now and I have completed the CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCIE > > > written all within the last five months. I currently work for an ISP in > > > tech > > > support (help desk) and I do not not have NOC experience. I have a > > > very > > > impressive lab and plan to boe done with the CCIE lab in about four > > > months. > > > am just wondering what I should expect out there, I just turrend 21 so > > > I > > > still pritty young yet but I have gotten all of these certs plus an > > > MCDBA > > > and A+ in less then a year. > > > > > > Joe Carr > > > A+, MCDBA, CCNA, CCDA, CCNP > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Neiberger" > > > To: ; > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > > > > > > > > I'd be surprised if you could find a CCIE with no work experience. > > > Even > > > > if you could, they wouldn't be worth that much, IMHO. Assuming I > > > pass > > > > in April, I'll have just over three years experience and a CCIE > > > > certification. What does that mean? > > > > > > > > Well, it means that if I leave my current job to look for work > > > > elsewhere, I'll be going up against CCIEs with 5-7+ years experience > > > > plus degrees. Someone with only three years experience still isn't > > > > going to be the most marketable person around. > > > > > > > > If you somehow managed to get CCIE and have no work experience at > > > all, > > > > I wouldn't expect a starting salary higher than a CCNA. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > >>> "Joe Carr" 1/31/02 11:26:39 AM >>> > > > > what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work > > > > experience. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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